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<blockquote data-quote="Dooks Dizzo" data-source="post: 4422608" data-attributes="member: 64275">It seems to me that the whole conversation really boils down to party composition doesn't it? If you're running a small party (and 3 is small to my mind) then you might need to 'beef up' the characters a bit or do as others have suggested and make the monsters a tad weaker.&nbsp;I knwo when we very first started playing, 30hp goblins seemed unbelievable. Fights took forever, and we have 6 players. (Pal, Warlord, Rogue, Wiz, Ranger, Cleric). &nbsp;Then it dawned on us they were were fighting like idiots. Once we got together and the leaders started buffing the Strikers and the rest focused fire, we were easily dropping an enemy per round, sometimes 2.&nbsp;A solo monster would get his butt kicked if he came up against our well oiled machine. Now we're only a 2nd level party, but by 10th, we'll be monster badasses.&nbsp;So I guess in closing, no 4th ed doesn't seem 'Grindy' to me. It did at first but learning how to fight as a team really sped things up. And we're playing with basic stat lines and 2 magic items total in our party of 6.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Dooks Dizzo, post: 4422608, member: 64275"] It seems to me that the whole conversation really boils down to party composition doesn't it? If you're running a small party (and 3 is small to my mind) then you might need to 'beef up' the characters a bit or do as others have suggested and make the monsters a tad weaker. I knwo when we very first started playing, 30hp goblins seemed unbelievable. Fights took forever, and we have 6 players. (Pal, Warlord, Rogue, Wiz, Ranger, Cleric). Then it dawned on us they were were fighting like idiots. Once we got together and the leaders started buffing the Strikers and the rest focused fire, we were easily dropping an enemy per round, sometimes 2. A solo monster would get his butt kicked if he came up against our well oiled machine. Now we're only a 2nd level party, but by 10th, we'll be monster badasses. So I guess in closing, no 4th ed doesn't seem 'Grindy' to me. It did at first but learning how to fight as a team really sped things up. And we're playing with basic stat lines and 2 magic items total in our party of 6. [/QUOTE]

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