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<blockquote data-quote="Aberzanzorax" data-source="post: 5766219" data-attributes="member: 64209">&lt;some snips&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;Okay.&nbsp;Sure.&nbsp;BUT!&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I'll certainly agree if this were a NEW product...but it isn't (or shouldn't be, in the way I'm using the word &quot;new&quot;).&nbsp;This is an &quot;edition&quot; of an existing game.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Feel free to say whatever you want about a new game to sell it however you want. &quot;Fantasy gaming isn't fun....let's get into sci-fi space!&quot;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;But this is edition number four of Dungeons and Dragons. Most people expect to see a new edition of a product to have resemblance fo prior editions (the x year ford model versus the y year ford model of the same car). There is some concern and discrimination that 4e &quot;isn't D&amp;D (to me)&quot;. &nbsp;My overall point here is that a &quot;creator&quot; is someone who makes a product.&nbsp; Wyatt is not a creator of D&amp;D...but is a creator of 4e D&amp;D, in part. Maybe a &quot;restorer&quot;?&nbsp; &nbsp;He can have license with his own game...but this isn't his game...it has history, it has tropes that he is specifically denying as fun, despite their inclusion (and marketing as adventures...see my prior posts in this thread). Wyatt says that a major chunk of D&amp;D isn't fun...a major chunk THAT HAS BEEN SOLD BY HIS EMPLOYER, WOTC, AS FUN...isn't fun.&nbsp;W.T.H.?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Aberzanzorax, post: 5766219, member: 64209"] <some snips> Okay. Sure. BUT! I'll certainly agree if this were a NEW product...but it isn't (or shouldn't be, in the way I'm using the word "new"). This is an "edition" of an existing game. Feel free to say whatever you want about a new game to sell it however you want. "Fantasy gaming isn't fun....let's get into sci-fi space!" But this is edition number four of Dungeons and Dragons. Most people expect to see a new edition of a product to have resemblance fo prior editions (the x year ford model versus the y year ford model of the same car). There is some concern and discrimination that 4e "isn't D&D (to me)". My overall point here is that a "creator" is someone who makes a product. Wyatt is not a creator of D&D...but is a creator of 4e D&D, in part. Maybe a "restorer"? He can have license with his own game...but this isn't his game...it has history, it has tropes that he is specifically denying as fun, despite their inclusion (and marketing as adventures...see my prior posts in this thread). Wyatt says that a major chunk of D&D isn't fun...a major chunk THAT HAS BEEN SOLD BY HIS EMPLOYER, WOTC, AS FUN...isn't fun. W.T.H.? [/QUOTE]

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