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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ShinHakkaider" data-source="post: 5766641" data-attributes="member: 9213">I suggest that you try not ascribing motive to people here in order to strengthen your argument. No I'm not a fan of 4E, but if you've read ANY of my posts at all when I've discussed 4E I've never railed against it in a way that I can be labled a 4E hater or whatever they're called. In fact, I've pretty much stated (not recently) that when the core books came out that the DMG (with obvious exceptions) and the Monster Manual were darn good. So yeah has NOTHING to do with 4E hate (thanks for playing!) and everything wit the fact that some of us think that Wyatt gave fairly bad advice. Its not for us? UGH. <img src="http://art.penny-arcade.com/photos/215499741_EEML7-L-2.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" /></blockquote>