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<blockquote data-quote="Iosue" data-source="post: 5769099" data-attributes="member: 6680772">I agree, and I suspect just about everybody here would.&nbsp; I think the point of contention is whether Wyatt's statement qualifies as the above.&nbsp; First, I think we can largely agree that the overall point of that entire passage was, &quot;Skip boring parts, go to fun parts.&quot;&nbsp; That's not bad advice.&nbsp; At least not advice that would hurt enjoyment for many players.&nbsp; Okay, so he is says, in the course of that, &quot;An encounter with guards at a gate is not fun.&quot;&nbsp; I think we can generally all agree that the kind of encounter he's talking about is pure color and setting, not &quot;adventure relevant&quot;.&nbsp; So, now we have Wyatt specifically advising people not to role play color/setting encounters with guards.&nbsp; Now the question is, how many are going to take that literally?&nbsp; As in, for the entire time they play 4e, they completely fast forward all &quot;gate guard&quot; scenarios.&nbsp; My guess is, probably not that many.&nbsp; But let's assume many do.&nbsp; Some will be folks who don't find that kind of color/setting roleplaying particularly interesting, so no fun ruined for them.&nbsp; Some will be folks who do find it interesting, and I think pemerton's point is that if folks do find that interesting, they will naturally put it in their game, even if they follow Wyatt to the letter and never do it with guards.&nbsp; So, I think it's highly unlikely they will miss out on a lot of fun.Realistically, it was just one line out of a larger context on game pacing.&nbsp; I don't imagine any new DMs took that specific example to heart, much less literally.&nbsp; I can see a veteran player/DM just not liking the way the passage is written, as a subjective gut reaction.&nbsp; I don't share that reaction, but I can understand it.&nbsp; But I can't buy the passage, taken as part of the whole DMG, doing harm to newbie DMs, let alone that single line.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Iosue, post: 5769099, member: 6680772"] I agree, and I suspect just about everybody here would. I think the point of contention is whether Wyatt's statement qualifies as the above. First, I think we can largely agree that the overall point of that entire passage was, "Skip boring parts, go to fun parts." That's not bad advice. At least not advice that would hurt enjoyment for many players. Okay, so he is says, in the course of that, "An encounter with guards at a gate is not fun." I think we can generally all agree that the kind of encounter he's talking about is pure color and setting, not "adventure relevant". So, now we have Wyatt specifically advising people not to role play color/setting encounters with guards. Now the question is, how many are going to take that literally? As in, for the entire time they play 4e, they completely fast forward all "gate guard" scenarios. My guess is, probably not that many. But let's assume many do. Some will be folks who don't find that kind of color/setting roleplaying particularly interesting, so no fun ruined for them. Some will be folks who do find it interesting, and I think pemerton's point is that if folks do find that interesting, [i]they will naturally put it in their game[/i], even if they follow Wyatt to the letter and never do it with guards. So, I think it's highly unlikely they will miss out on a lot of fun. Realistically, it was just one line out of a larger context on game pacing. I don't imagine any new DMs took that specific example to heart, much less literally. I can see a veteran player/DM just not liking the way the passage is written, as a subjective gut reaction. I don't share that reaction, but I can understand it. But I can't buy the passage, taken as part of the whole DMG, doing harm to newbie DMs, let alone that single line. [/QUOTE]

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