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<blockquote data-quote="TheAuldGrump" data-source="post: 5771164" data-attributes="member: 6957">Given that 5e is now twinkling on the horizon, with admissions that some of the attitudes propounded in 4e were mistakes, I think that we can lay this to rest - Wyatt's attitude, deliberate or not, did alienate a fair number of people.I do not think that he dismissed other styles of play accidentally, but it does not matter now, one of the stated intents for 5e is to be more inclusive. Wyatt is not on the design team, but is instead over at the board games area, so we don't need to worry about whether he will somehow offend in his presentation. WotC is trying to recover from those errors of presentation, and from the design philosophy that led to them.I hope that they can take the good parts of 4e but manage to lose the hubris that offended far more than the rules themselves.I am sure that the Gate Guards are happier with that. Rather than picking at the scabs, let us let the matter go - it no longer matters. I actually hope that 5e makes 4e players happy, more than I hope for those that prefer the 3.X architecture.&nbsp; We have something that fills the niche for many of us.I hope that WotC keeps 4e Essentials in print as a separate property, at least during the transition period, and perhaps longer. A I mentioned before, it does not need to compete, and the paperbound books have a low enough production cost to be worth keeping.I have liked Mearls, back when he was doing OGL material - City Works is one of my most used D20 books even today, and I have liked Cook, both on official D&amp;D material and OGL.The Auld Grump</blockquote>

[QUOTE="TheAuldGrump, post: 5771164, member: 6957"] Given that 5e is now twinkling on the horizon, with admissions that some of the attitudes propounded in 4e were mistakes, I think that we can lay this to rest - Wyatt's attitude, deliberate or not, [i]did[/i] alienate a fair number of people. I do not think that he dismissed other styles of play accidentally, but it does not matter now, one of the stated intents for 5e is to be more inclusive. Wyatt is not on the design team, but is instead over at the board games area, so we don't need to worry about whether he will somehow offend in his presentation. WotC is trying to recover from those errors of presentation, and from the design philosophy that led to them. I hope that they can take the good parts of 4e but manage to lose the hubris that offended far more than the rules themselves. I am sure that the Gate Guards are happier with that. Rather than picking at the scabs, let us let the matter go - it no longer [i]matters[/i]. I actually hope that 5e makes 4e players happy, more than I hope for those that prefer the 3.X architecture. We have something that fills the niche for many of us. I hope that WotC keeps 4e Essentials in print as a separate property, at least during the transition period, and perhaps longer. A I mentioned before, it does not need to compete, and the paperbound books have a low enough production cost to be worth keeping. I have liked Mearls, back when he was doing OGL material - City Works is one of my most used D20 books even today, and I have liked Cook, both on official D&D material and OGL. The Auld Grump [/QUOTE]

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