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The Gygaxian Origins of Drow and Some Thought on their Depiction As Villians
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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8026956" data-attributes="member: 6801228"><p>Answering this first, I don't see why it has to be either/or. There is a part of the problem that is intrinsic to classical drow depictions, and part that is extrinsically focused on DnD. The Abeils would help solve the Extrinsic part.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Okay, I'm seeing the confusion and I'm not sure how to explain the nuance my brain is giving this. </p><p></p><p>Our world is essentially a Patriarchy in ever way and has been for centuries. It isn't unusual to see a man in charge of whatever, and even if everyone has equal rights/pay/ect it will still take time for us to transition to a new normal. </p><p></p><p>The key I think is the word "restrictions" even if we removed all restrictions right now, we would still live in a Patriarchy. The restrictions prevent change, but they do not make the patriarchy exist. </p><p></p><p>So, I'm imagining literally just flipping the script of who is in charge. Not by restricting men, or by saying "men can't do X" but by it simply not being the norm. Not by repressing men, who resent this status quo and would just rise up and be in charge if it weren't for the women, but by it being just a normal thing in this society that the women are in charge. </p><p></p><p>I acknowledge it is a very very fine line, but the point of fact is, that this is exactly what we do with most patriarchal societies in DnD. De Facto, the men are in charge, the men are making decisions, the men are the soldiers, the men are the doctors, the men are the merchants. The women only show up as a counterpoint, to be unusual. I just wonder about running the mirror inverse of that.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 8026956, member: 6801228"] Answering this first, I don't see why it has to be either/or. There is a part of the problem that is intrinsic to classical drow depictions, and part that is extrinsically focused on DnD. The Abeils would help solve the Extrinsic part. Okay, I'm seeing the confusion and I'm not sure how to explain the nuance my brain is giving this. Our world is essentially a Patriarchy in ever way and has been for centuries. It isn't unusual to see a man in charge of whatever, and even if everyone has equal rights/pay/ect it will still take time for us to transition to a new normal. The key I think is the word "restrictions" even if we removed all restrictions right now, we would still live in a Patriarchy. The restrictions prevent change, but they do not make the patriarchy exist. So, I'm imagining literally just flipping the script of who is in charge. Not by restricting men, or by saying "men can't do X" but by it simply not being the norm. Not by repressing men, who resent this status quo and would just rise up and be in charge if it weren't for the women, but by it being just a normal thing in this society that the women are in charge. I acknowledge it is a very very fine line, but the point of fact is, that this is exactly what we do with most patriarchal societies in DnD. De Facto, the men are in charge, the men are making decisions, the men are the soldiers, the men are the doctors, the men are the merchants. The women only show up as a counterpoint, to be unusual. I just wonder about running the mirror inverse of that. [/QUOTE]
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