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The Haka - Ka Mate v Kapo o Pango (sp?)
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<blockquote data-quote="Sidekick" data-source="post: 3006003" data-attributes="member: 13946"><p>Old v New. Well the original Haka is actually froma specific Iwi from th lower North Island (kiwiw's correct me if I'm wrong - the details are intentionally hazy).</p><p></p><p>The storey goes that a Chief and his warriors sailed down to the canterbury area, sacked and pillaged a local Hapu/iwi killing almost everyone. Some other locals turned up and routed them. The chief ran and hid, then when he wasn't discovered he jumped up and did the Ka Mate Haka.</p><p></p><p>So its always been a little bit contentious with some South Island Maori.</p><p></p><p>I guess that the ABs wanted something new that was still traditional and show-cased native NZ culture, but without the internal sensitivities that goes with Ka MAte. Honestly I dunno thought - thats a guess.</p><p></p><p>Dont' get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with people doing their own tradition.</p><p></p><p>I was refering to situations like when the English (I think) advanced on the All Blacks were doing the Haka and trying to scare the ABs the two teams ended up nose to nose by the end of it.</p><p></p><p>The other guys lost BIG time.</p><p></p><p>Or another time when the opposition completely ignored it and went and passed the ball around in their own try area. again a record loss. Its about respect, or should I say not dis-resecting the Haka.</p><p></p><p>As a team if you Disrespect the Haka - well do it at your own peril.</p><p></p><p>The stats show, that if you show the Haka respect & then decide to do your own thing (ie the Aussies and Waltzing matilda) then more power to ya.</p><p></p><p>As for morris dancing hmm I can't really see that pumping your boys u p(gods knows they need it though).</p><p></p><p>And CAbre tossing, its one thing to have some guys shout a war chant at you, another for them to throw swords...</p><p></p><p>Or you could do what the South African team did. Get someone to poison the opposion the night before. (We'll never forget that 95 final! NEVER).</p><p></p><p>just jokes</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sidekick, post: 3006003, member: 13946"] Old v New. Well the original Haka is actually froma specific Iwi from th lower North Island (kiwiw's correct me if I'm wrong - the details are intentionally hazy). The storey goes that a Chief and his warriors sailed down to the canterbury area, sacked and pillaged a local Hapu/iwi killing almost everyone. Some other locals turned up and routed them. The chief ran and hid, then when he wasn't discovered he jumped up and did the Ka Mate Haka. So its always been a little bit contentious with some South Island Maori. I guess that the ABs wanted something new that was still traditional and show-cased native NZ culture, but without the internal sensitivities that goes with Ka MAte. Honestly I dunno thought - thats a guess. Dont' get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with people doing their own tradition. I was refering to situations like when the English (I think) advanced on the All Blacks were doing the Haka and trying to scare the ABs the two teams ended up nose to nose by the end of it. The other guys lost BIG time. Or another time when the opposition completely ignored it and went and passed the ball around in their own try area. again a record loss. Its about respect, or should I say not dis-resecting the Haka. As a team if you Disrespect the Haka - well do it at your own peril. The stats show, that if you show the Haka respect & then decide to do your own thing (ie the Aussies and Waltzing matilda) then more power to ya. As for morris dancing hmm I can't really see that pumping your boys u p(gods knows they need it though). And CAbre tossing, its one thing to have some guys shout a war chant at you, another for them to throw swords... Or you could do what the South African team did. Get someone to poison the opposion the night before. (We'll never forget that 95 final! NEVER). just jokes [/QUOTE]
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