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<blockquote data-quote="5ekyu" data-source="post: 7552771" data-attributes="member: 6919838"><p>"Or some progress with setback determined by the GM." </p><p></p><p>Almost a quote if not one.</p><p></p><p>That's the second part of what a failure on an ability check is as defined by the PHB. </p><p></p><p>Perception &Investigations - you did notice A but while you were looking you failed to spot B or got noticed by C. Whether that means your pocket got picked in the bar while you looked for cultists or you were spotted and tracked by others etc... whole tons of options. </p><p>Knowledge checks - recall some good info and some misleading info. </p><p>Athletics/strength - damn, should a maybe not did that last bit... pulled something - take a level of exhaustion for the exertion... or dang got it shifted then slipped now it's a little further but wedgedvin so future checks are harder or disadvantaged. Or maybe it gave a little but stuff now is falling - noise, debris, damage.</p><p></p><p>Failure on ability checks in 5e is **not** imited ever to binary pass fail repeat - at least not as defined in the PHB under ability checks.</p><p></p><p>Edit to add cite from PHB</p><p></p><p>'If the total equals or exceeds the DC, the ability check is a success — the creature overcomes the challenge at hand. Otherwise, it's a failure, which means the character or monster makes no progress toward the objective or makes progress combined with a setback determined by the DM."</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="5ekyu, post: 7552771, member: 6919838"] "Or some progress with setback determined by the GM." Almost a quote if not one. That's the second part of what a failure on an ability check is as defined by the PHB. Perception &Investigations - you did notice A but while you were looking you failed to spot B or got noticed by C. Whether that means your pocket got picked in the bar while you looked for cultists or you were spotted and tracked by others etc... whole tons of options. Knowledge checks - recall some good info and some misleading info. Athletics/strength - damn, should a maybe not did that last bit... pulled something - take a level of exhaustion for the exertion... or dang got it shifted then slipped now it's a little further but wedgedvin so future checks are harder or disadvantaged. Or maybe it gave a little but stuff now is falling - noise, debris, damage. Failure on ability checks in 5e is **not** imited ever to binary pass fail repeat - at least not as defined in the PHB under ability checks. Edit to add cite from PHB 'If the total equals or exceeds the DC, the ability check is a success — the creature overcomes the challenge at hand. Otherwise, it's a failure, which means the character or monster makes no progress toward the objective or makes progress combined with a setback determined by the DM." [/QUOTE]
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