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<blockquote data-quote="5ekyu" data-source="post: 7553272" data-attributes="member: 6919838">&quot;Indeed. But if you do the same thing you did before, the same way you just did it, you should expect the same result you just got.&quot;Really? So if i step up to the free throw line and take a shot and miss and pick up the ball and try again trying the same way i will miss again?Better yet, if i made the first shot and do the same thong again it will keep going in?Sorry... Thats not how doing stuff works.I might be trying to do the same thing the same way but,maybe i executed badly first then better the second... See i am only in charge of how i try to do what i try to do not the &quot;degree of perfection&quot; and so shot after shot produces different outcomes.To presume the same result will occur on retry after retry is to presume the same performance level which is not how it works for most things.Even non-physical things.For about three days now i have bern trying to figure out a couple angles, even talked with some guts, no dice... But then today out of the blue coming back to the ssme steps, ssme pages again **bam** two great solutions came from different directions that did not occur the first three times i looked at the same stuff and not with any link to those discussions. In 5e terms, i would use this to narratively describe it as failure on day one, failure on day two and crit success on day three.I cook a mean italian beef - but it never comes out the same twice.So much real life experience says the idea of representing tasks with retry = same results is very flawed.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="5ekyu, post: 7553272, member: 6919838"] "Indeed. But if you do the same thing you did before, the same way you just did it, you should expect the same result you just got." Really? So if i step up to the free throw line and take a shot and miss and pick up the ball and try again trying the same way i will miss again? Better yet, if i made the first shot and do the same thong again it will keep going in? Sorry... Thats not how doing stuff works. I might be trying to do the same thing the same way but,maybe i executed badly first then better the second... See i am only in charge of how i try to do what i try to do not the "degree of perfection" and so shot after shot produces different outcomes. To presume the same result will occur on retry after retry is to presume the same performance level which is not how it works for most things. Even non-physical things. For about three days now i have bern trying to figure out a couple angles, even talked with some guts, no dice... But then today out of the blue coming back to the ssme steps, ssme pages again **bam** two great solutions came from different directions that did not occur the first three times i looked at the same stuff and not with any link to those discussions. In 5e terms, i would use this to narratively describe it as failure on day one, failure on day two and crit success on day three. I cook a mean italian beef - but it never comes out the same twice. So much real life experience says the idea of representing tasks with retry = same results is very flawed. [/QUOTE]

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