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<blockquote data-quote="Charlaquin" data-source="post: 7553292" data-attributes="member: 6779196">But they didn’t do as well as they know they could have done, and you are preventing them from attempting to do it better, which is unsatisfying.I agree, which is why I either assign a cost or consequence, or skip to the success if I cannot think of a meaningful one.You’re describing precisely what I do in a situation where there is no meaningful cost or consequence for failure.Agreed.I move the pick slightly differently this time, in an attempt to correct the mistakes in my movements that I made previously resulting in the tumblers not getting forced into position.This seems like an arbitrary distinction to me. What criteria do you use to determine if an action is “like an attack roll”?Maybe it would help if you gave me an example of an action where there is no time pressure and 1 roll covers it.I agree 100%. It sounds an awful lot like what you and I actually do in practice is the same, but you have some kind of bugbear with the way I describe it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Charlaquin, post: 7553292, member: 6779196"] But they didn’t do as well as they know they could have done, and you are preventing them from attempting to do it better, which is unsatisfying. I agree, which is why I either assign a cost or consequence, or skip to the success if I cannot think of a meaningful one. You’re describing precisely what I do in a situation where there is no meaningful cost or consequence for failure. Agreed. I move the pick slightly differently this time, in an attempt to correct the mistakes in my movements that I made previously resulting in the tumblers not getting forced into position. This seems like an arbitrary distinction to me. What criteria do you use to determine if an action is “like an attack roll”? Maybe it would help if you gave me an example of an action where there is no time pressure and 1 roll covers it. I agree 100%. It sounds an awful lot like what you and I actually do in practice is the same, but you have some kind of bugbear with the way I describe it. [/QUOTE]

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