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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sepulchrave II" data-source="post: 279234" data-attributes="member: 4303">Mere Mechanics The PHB says: This may have been errated, but I interpreted it as being1) Badly Worded and2) The 'It' referring to the captured creature, not the caster.What I felt it should have read was:'The Creature makes a Charisma Check with a DC of 15. It adds half its level or hit dice to the roll.'I might be wrong, but it seems counterintuitive that a Succubus (Cha 20) would have more chance of breaking free from a diagram than a Balor (Cha 16).With the +5 for the diagram, the DC becomes 20. Rurunoth needs to roll an 11 (+6 for HD, +3 for Cha) to break free.On reflection, this seems a little too harsh on the conjurer. This needs tweaking, whatever way you look at it.An obvious solution might be:DC = 10 + (Caster Level + Cha mod.)- (Creature Level or HD + Cha mod.); with a +5 increase in the DC for a diagram.This would have given a DC of 15, which seems about right (speaking from the gut here). It would also reflect the ability of a powerful spellcaster to enforce his Magickal Will upon lesser outsiders, whilst still pausing for thought when calling the big ones.In fact, I think that's what I'll use from now on.And (just reminded of the appendix in the 'Lost Caverns of Tsojcanth'), I think that a permanent diagram option would be nice also. Inlayed with precious metals. I might give bindings some more thought.I guess its all about how you see it working: even according to your calculation,  a creature which needs to roll a natural 20 to escape will be more than 50% likely to have done so after 2 weeks -  assuming a deal has not been struck.I don't know why Mostin took 20. He is kind of paranoid. And anal. And theatrical.</blockquote>

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