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<blockquote data-quote="swrushing" data-source="post: 1493122" data-attributes="member: 14140">buzz, f when i give specifics, as you requested, i get back generalities, this is not going much of anywhere.I already covered the to hit dealy. I even mentioned only hitting two of the three with the spread... 11 damage to two vs 7 damage to three.Its nice to just be able to say &quot;its balanced&quot; but that statement needs some backing. I gave you setting. i gave you flavor. i gave you total points. i gave you Rp. i gave you two powers and numbers and we went over the defense and packing thing...AGAIN, let me ask, if for the 350 game i described two characters came to you which were the same except one had as his attack power the 9d6 Eb firebolt and another the 4 1/2 d6 Eb AOE 2&quot; r fireball what would you tell them?Do you routinely throw enough tight clusters of nigh defenseless joes with high DCVs to make up for the total ineffectiveness against supers who are at or near the 20 defense range in a 350 pt game? How many scenarios in ten would feature the clusters vs would feature supers with defenses in the 15+ range... really? for a 350 averngers styke game? C'mon?Its simple to point to a difference and say &quot;its a trade off it will balance&quot;.Ok, maybe this is the wrong tact. Maybe getting you to talk about &quot;your game&quot; or what you would tell players is cutting too close. After all, you did not answer the direct question.Would these two attack be equally effective against a random sampling, in your opinion, of say 30 published characters (15 from the Champions Universe sourcebook and Champions Genre book and 15 more from the villain book... crooks conquerors and killers say)? Or would you say the typical defense levels shown in those three products would show the 4 1/2 d6 ap attack to be significantly less effective?This of course assumes you dont want to answer the earlier question. if i am wrong, please, by all means, step up.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="swrushing, post: 1493122, member: 14140"] buzz, f when i give specifics, as you requested, i get back generalities, this is not going much of anywhere. I already covered the to hit dealy. I even mentioned only hitting two of the three with the spread... 11 damage to two vs 7 damage to three. Its nice to just be able to say "its balanced" but that statement needs some backing. I gave you setting. i gave you flavor. i gave you total points. i gave you Rp. i gave you two powers and numbers and we went over the defense and packing thing... AGAIN, let me ask, if for the 350 game i described two characters came to you which were the same except one had as his attack power the 9d6 Eb firebolt and another the 4 1/2 d6 Eb AOE 2" r fireball what would you tell them? Do you routinely throw enough tight clusters of nigh defenseless joes with high DCVs to make up for the total ineffectiveness against supers who are at or near the 20 defense range in a 350 pt game? How many scenarios in ten would feature the clusters vs would feature supers with defenses in the 15+ range... really? for a 350 averngers styke game? C'mon? Its simple to point to a difference and say "its a trade off it will balance". Ok, maybe this is the wrong tact. Maybe getting you to talk about "your game" or what you would tell players is cutting too close. After all, you did not answer the direct question. Would these two attack be equally effective against a random sampling, in your opinion, of say 30 published characters (15 from the Champions Universe sourcebook and Champions Genre book and 15 more from the villain book... crooks conquerors and killers say)? Or would you say the typical defense levels shown in those three products would show the 4 1/2 d6 ap attack to be significantly less effective? This of course assumes you dont want to answer the earlier question. if i am wrong, please, by all means, step up. [/QUOTE]

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