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<blockquote data-quote="proditor" data-source="post: 1495296" data-attributes="member: 12899">Welcome to the cult PCD.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />&nbsp; I've been playing D&amp;D for nigh on 26 years now.&nbsp; Wait...let me amend that.&nbsp; I played D&amp;D for almost 26 years.&nbsp; I stopped playing about 6 months ago.&nbsp; It wasn't that I bought HERO, saw the light and converted like a zealot, no, I've been playing Hero based games for almost 20 years.&nbsp; What did it was simple things like spending three times as long creating a mid-level d20 PC as I was spending on a 350 point PC.&nbsp; The level system had become so class dependent, PRC dependent, feat dependent...too many books, too much outlay of cash.&nbsp; Yes, I could be just a player for 20 bucks if I only bought the PHB.&nbsp; I could also be just a player in Hero for 10 bucks if I buy Sidekick...Anyway...The amount of nitpicking and feat selection and skill raise work to qualify for this class at 7th, then this one at 9th...it was exhausting.&nbsp; I am by nature a tinkerer.&nbsp; I want an effective character that allows me to RP the personality I designed for that PC.&nbsp; Doing that in d20 has become a nightmare for me.&nbsp; I mean, come on now...I take one level of one prc (War priest?) and I get Mettle which is evasion for all my saves.&nbsp; But I already had the right combos to get normal evasion and will evasion, so now I have evasion for everything, and I have tons of PRCs in dribs and drabs attached to my core classes since they won't get me the earned XP penalty.&nbsp; UGH!&nbsp; I loved the idea of PRC's when they first came out.&nbsp; I loathe them now.&nbsp; And to the guy who says that the rules for character creation and balance are in the DMG...then why didn't WotC follow them?!?!?&nbsp; There's a great thread on the WotC boards <a href="http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?s=&amp;threadid=142565&amp;perpage=30" target="_blank">http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?s=&amp;threadid=142565&amp;perpage=30</a> that shows you how to make a character that does something like MILLIONS of d6 damage per attack with a completely legal, WotC approved PC.&nbsp; THIS is balance????I retired D&amp;D shortly after 3.5 came out, mostly due to Sean K Reynolds and Monte Cook mentioning that 4.0 was due out in 2 years.&nbsp; Fool me once (3.5 after 2 years), shame on me.&nbsp; Fool me twice...At this point, I'm mostly just angry that WotC managed to kill my longest running pass time.If you like d20 better, bully for you.&nbsp; If you like HERO better, bully for you.&nbsp; They both have problems, but at least I can accept Hero's and not feel that things are completely out of whack.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="proditor, post: 1495296, member: 12899"] Welcome to the cult PCD. ;) I've been playing D&D for nigh on 26 years now. Wait...let me amend that. I played D&D for almost 26 years. I stopped playing about 6 months ago. It wasn't that I bought HERO, saw the light and converted like a zealot, no, I've been playing Hero based games for almost 20 years. What did it was simple things like spending three times as long creating a mid-level d20 PC as I was spending on a 350 point PC. The level system had become so class dependent, PRC dependent, feat dependent...too many books, too much outlay of cash. Yes, I could be just a player for 20 bucks if I only bought the PHB. I could also be just a player in Hero for 10 bucks if I buy Sidekick... Anyway...The amount of nitpicking and feat selection and skill raise work to qualify for this class at 7th, then this one at 9th...it was exhausting. I am by nature a tinkerer. I want an effective character that allows me to RP the personality I designed for that PC. Doing that in d20 has become a nightmare for me. I mean, come on now...I take one level of one prc (War priest?) and I get Mettle which is evasion for all my saves. But I already had the right combos to get normal evasion and will evasion, so now I have evasion for everything, and I have tons of PRCs in dribs and drabs attached to my core classes since they won't get me the earned XP penalty. UGH! I loved the idea of PRC's when they first came out. I loathe them now. And to the guy who says that the rules for character creation and balance are in the DMG...then why didn't WotC follow them?!?!? There's a great thread on the WotC boards [url]http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=142565&perpage=30[/url] that shows you how to make a character that does something like MILLIONS of d6 damage per attack with a completely legal, WotC approved PC. THIS is balance???? I retired D&D shortly after 3.5 came out, mostly due to Sean K Reynolds and Monte Cook mentioning that 4.0 was due out in 2 years. Fool me once (3.5 after 2 years), shame on me. Fool me twice... At this point, I'm mostly just angry that WotC managed to kill my longest running pass time. If you like d20 better, bully for you. If you like HERO better, bully for you. They both have problems, but at least I can accept Hero's and not feel that things are completely out of whack. [/QUOTE]

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