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<blockquote data-quote="Dannyalcatraz" data-source="post: 6308920" data-attributes="member: 19675">Note that nowhere in my post did I use the word &quot;equally.&quot;But to rephrase: perhaps it was the way in which the story of the PC was presented, but it seemed as if the character described was a henchman who had almost no reason to be present on an adventure.&nbsp; He was a dirt farmer- not someone's squire, not someone's animal handler, etc.Strong arguments have been made that Samwise Gamgee is the hero of LotR.&nbsp; He had motivation and purpose within the context of the story to be placed where he was, and how he acted was consistent with it.I simply didn't get that vibe from the dirt farmer PC at all.&nbsp; Why would a dirt farmer- one clearly still interested in being a dirt farmer- leave his farm on an adventure?For the proper context:I'm all for playing the character envisioned in the mind.&nbsp; I like challenging PCs.&nbsp; I play lots of them.But no magic, no weapons, no armor, no fighting skills?&quot;While they fought, I poked around in the bushes, or dug in the dirt. &quot;He comes across as a freeloader- why would an adventuring party feed &amp; protect this guy?&nbsp; Why wasn't he a snack for a big nasty predator?&nbsp; This is a PC who verges on being an NPC...of the &quot;always needs rescuing&quot; variety.At some point, a challenging PC stops being a challenge to yourself and starts being a burden to the other players at the table.&nbsp; This one may have reached it, and pickin_grinnin knows it.&quot;The DM understood what I was doing, though the other players didn't.&nbsp; They just sort of tolerated me.&quot;Being &quot;tolerated&quot; is not the best place to be, socially.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Dannyalcatraz, post: 6308920, member: 19675"] Note that nowhere in my post did I use the word "equally." But to rephrase: perhaps it was the way in which the story of the PC was presented, but it seemed as if the character described was a henchman who had almost no reason to be present on an adventure. He was a dirt farmer- not someone's squire, not someone's animal handler, etc. Strong arguments have been made that Samwise Gamgee is the hero of LotR. He had motivation and purpose within the context of the story to be placed where he was, and how he acted was consistent with it. I simply didn't get that vibe from the dirt farmer PC at all. Why would a dirt farmer- one clearly still interested in being a dirt farmer- leave his farm on an adventure? For the proper context: I'm all for playing the character envisioned in the mind. I like challenging PCs. I play lots of them. But no magic, no weapons, no armor, no fighting skills? "While they fought, I poked around in the bushes, or dug in the dirt. " He comes across as a freeloader- why would an adventuring party feed & protect this guy? Why wasn't he a snack for a big nasty predator? This is a PC who verges on being an NPC...of the "always needs rescuing" variety. At some point, a challenging PC stops being a challenge to yourself and starts being a burden to the other players at the table. This one may have reached it, and pickin_grinnin knows it. "The DM understood what I was doing, though the other players didn't. They just sort of tolerated me." Being "tolerated" is not the best place to be, socially. [/QUOTE]

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