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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Majere" data-source="post: 1958600" data-attributes="member: 13916">The players actions are within the rules, but why are you giving him sneak attack damage. Unless the opponent is flatfooted the rouge shouldnt get any SA damage on his attack.Wrong. While the chaacter may "lean around" to see what is going on, he cannot fire unless he has a line of sight from the square he is in. He could take a step out into the open to fire, but at the end of his attack he will be standing in the open and unable to hide.Why would the rogue get SA damage ? To attack he had to move out from his cover to get a line of sight. As he is no longer in cover he can no longer hide. The monster has had an action and is not flat footed and therefore no SA damage.Nope, he had to use his action to get a line of sight. He cant have another action with which to hide.The rules are only easily abused if you as a DM dont understand them and/or apply them in the correct manner.Sounds like selfish play, If I was one of the other players Id just kill the rogue to teach him a lesson if he was endaingering the rest of us. But thats opinion not rules.LOLOf all the classes the rogue has the shortest life expectancy. No you just need to suspect he is present and be willing to cast a spell in the area he might be in.Problem here isnt the hiding rules it is that your player is cheating.Some pertinent quotes: Your rogue needs something sizable to hide behind If you have cover from your enemy he has cover from you.If you have concealment from your enemy, he has concealment from you.Therefore if your rogue is hiding from the enemy (even with the sniping rules) he CANNOT use his SNEAK ATTACK. I hope  that is clear, not only is your player cheating from trying to "shoot round corner", but even if he was using the sniping rules he would not get sneak attack damage. If your character wants to try the above then he must use the sniping rules and take -20 on his hide roll. And forgo hs sneak attack damage. The creature KNOWs where he is, it doesnt have to stand there like a moron and die. It can either move away or towards the rogue. If it moves towards the rogue then as soon as it walks around the corner the rogue has no cover and hence cant hide.The only way a rouge could move,hide and move would be with the shoot on the run feat. And even then the enemy would not be flat footed and so there would be no sneak attack damage. Hope that helpsMajere</blockquote>

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