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<blockquote data-quote="Shin Okada" data-source="post: 1958656" data-attributes="member: 1956"><p>If he is behind total cover, he cannot have line of sight to an opponent. Thus, he must first move out to another square where he can have LOS (a move action), Shoot (a standard action), and go back to the square which provides him a total cover (a move action). So he need one standard action and 2 move actions. Usually, it is impossible for him to do this in one round. He can do simular move if he has Shot on the Run feat. But it still need a standard action and a move action.</p><p></p><p>Assume he is hiding behind total cover. Now combat is not yet begun. He takes a surprise round. Now he can take one standard action or one move action. All he can do it to move out from a total cover.</p><p></p><p>If the combat is already begun, whether he was getting total cover at the start of turn is irrelevant. Opponents are not flat-footed so has dex bonus to AC unless attacked by an invisible opponent and such. At the start of his turn, the rogue may be hiding behind a total cover. But he move out from that space and now not hiding. So when he shoots a bow, he is visible and thus the opponent has dex bonus to AC.</p><p></p><p>With sniping rule, he can keep the position he has cover (not a total cover) and continue to shoot once per round until the opponent finds him or come within 5 ft. from him. It may happen in open terrain. But very unlikely in dungeon environment. (and remember he must be within 30 ft. from the target to make a ranged sneak attack).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Shin Okada, post: 1958656, member: 1956"] If he is behind total cover, he cannot have line of sight to an opponent. Thus, he must first move out to another square where he can have LOS (a move action), Shoot (a standard action), and go back to the square which provides him a total cover (a move action). So he need one standard action and 2 move actions. Usually, it is impossible for him to do this in one round. He can do simular move if he has Shot on the Run feat. But it still need a standard action and a move action. Assume he is hiding behind total cover. Now combat is not yet begun. He takes a surprise round. Now he can take one standard action or one move action. All he can do it to move out from a total cover. If the combat is already begun, whether he was getting total cover at the start of turn is irrelevant. Opponents are not flat-footed so has dex bonus to AC unless attacked by an invisible opponent and such. At the start of his turn, the rogue may be hiding behind a total cover. But he move out from that space and now not hiding. So when he shoots a bow, he is visible and thus the opponent has dex bonus to AC. With sniping rule, he can keep the position he has cover (not a total cover) and continue to shoot once per round until the opponent finds him or come within 5 ft. from him. It may happen in open terrain. But very unlikely in dungeon environment. (and remember he must be within 30 ft. from the target to make a ranged sneak attack). [/QUOTE]
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