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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 6248150" data-attributes="member: 177">You don't want to go there, because he's basically correct, you know.Here's the thing: "It is the truth!" doesn't mean you aren't being a jerk about it.  You can be 100% factually correct, and insulting boor at the same time!  They aren't mutually exclusive.It then follows that, "But it's teh Trvth!" will get you exactly zero points when the mods have to step in. Well, then how about you limit mentioning it to places and times here it might actually be a constructive part of the discussion?  At this point you're not talking about what you do want, but what you *don't* want.  Stop try to define 5e by what it shouldn't be, and start defining it by what it should be.  You see, there's a fundamental problem with taking a negative position - you are forced to continually say negative things.  In a place like EN world, you are basically guaranteed that there will be folks who disagree with you.  So, you either repeat yourself, or you have to top yourself.  So, either you become a monotonous drum beater that nobody listens to or you eventually have to go over the line in your negativity and the mods have to swat you.  Either way, you lose.So, really, if you don't like 4e, that's okay.  Just realize that if the basic substance of your position always boils down to,"Edition X is bad," folks will figure out that beating on the edition is more important to you than the original subject matter.</blockquote>

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