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<blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 8443262" data-attributes="member: 7030563"><p>A few comments</p><p></p><p><strong>A. 5 Attacks is wrong. </strong>Martial Arts, Flurry and Ki-fueled attack all use a bonus action, so you can not do all of them on a turn. Assuming you go with flurry that is 4 attacks a turn, ki fueled attack ormartial arts is 3.</p><p></p><p><strong>B. Using Ki is not sustained - </strong>If you are using Ki to make a flurry of blows or attack with your Kensei weapon then this is not sustained damage.</p><p></p><p><strong>C. Hex and Hexblade Curse - </strong>I don't think it is fair to consider these for three reasons -</p><p>1. Hex uses a spell slot, and Hexblade curse is limited uses so they are not really sustained</p><p>2. The math does not work. It uses a bonus action to cast Hex and a BA to move to a new enemy which cuts heavily into your flurry damage. Also being concentration you will have to recast it every time you lose it. Baleful Curse can't be moved to a new creature once the first is dead. Considering most enemies only last 2-3 turns, most turns you will be using your bonus action to put these up instead of making the extra attacks. I think your flurry damage (along with the Hex and Curse riders) needs to be cut by at least 80% to account for this.</p><p>3. Assuming you are playing with feats any character can get Hex, so it is not unique to warlock and could be added to any build.</p><p></p><p><strong>C. Rapier - </strong>Why are you using a Rapier when a longsword or warhammer will do more damage?</p><p></p><p>Using these changes you have:</p><p></p><p>(2d10 Longsword+10 dex+8 prof + 2d6 Hex+2d6 curse)+0.2*(2d6 Flurry+10 dex +8 prof +2d6 Hex+2d6 curse)</p><p></p><p>That is an average of 50 DPR. That probably only lasts one combat though before you are out of both Ki and Baleful Curse uses.</p><p></p><p>A 12th level Rogue could use TWF and can further add dex to both attacks with the fighting initiate feat, which would put him at 45, not 40. Further with a 5-level Fey Wanderer dip (5 Ranger/7 Rogue), he loses 2d6 Sneak but gains 1d8+2d4+dex for extra attack, dreadful strikes and favored foe. This would be 52 average against 1 creature or 57 average if you split the attacks between 3 creatures and unlike hex and baleful curse these do not require a non-attack bonus action to add the damage.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ECMO3, post: 8443262, member: 7030563"] A few comments [B]A. 5 Attacks is wrong. [/B]Martial Arts, Flurry and Ki-fueled attack all use a bonus action, so you can not do all of them on a turn. Assuming you go with flurry that is 4 attacks a turn, ki fueled attack ormartial arts is 3. [B]B. Using Ki is not sustained - [/B]If you are using Ki to make a flurry of blows or attack with your Kensei weapon then this is not sustained damage. [B]C. Hex and Hexblade Curse - [/B]I don't think it is fair to consider these for three reasons - 1. Hex uses a spell slot, and Hexblade curse is limited uses so they are not really sustained 2. The math does not work. It uses a bonus action to cast Hex and a BA to move to a new enemy which cuts heavily into your flurry damage. Also being concentration you will have to recast it every time you lose it. Baleful Curse can't be moved to a new creature once the first is dead. Considering most enemies only last 2-3 turns, most turns you will be using your bonus action to put these up instead of making the extra attacks. I think your flurry damage (along with the Hex and Curse riders) needs to be cut by at least 80% to account for this. 3. Assuming you are playing with feats any character can get Hex, so it is not unique to warlock and could be added to any build. [B]C. Rapier - [/B]Why are you using a Rapier when a longsword or warhammer will do more damage? Using these changes you have: (2d10 Longsword+10 dex+8 prof + 2d6 Hex+2d6 curse)+0.2*(2d6 Flurry+10 dex +8 prof +2d6 Hex+2d6 curse) That is an average of 50 DPR. That probably only lasts one combat though before you are out of both Ki and Baleful Curse uses. A 12th level Rogue could use TWF and can further add dex to both attacks with the fighting initiate feat, which would put him at 45, not 40. Further with a 5-level Fey Wanderer dip (5 Ranger/7 Rogue), he loses 2d6 Sneak but gains 1d8+2d4+dex for extra attack, dreadful strikes and favored foe. This would be 52 average against 1 creature or 57 average if you split the attacks between 3 creatures and unlike hex and baleful curse these do not require a non-attack bonus action to add the damage. [/QUOTE]
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