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<blockquote data-quote="Hriston" data-source="post: 8188166" data-attributes="member: 6787503">But characters don't come up with anything, players do. That's how they play their characters and thereby play the game. Do you also tell players of low Strength or Dexterity characters that they can't make certain decisions because it seems like something a strong or a fast character would do? Or do you tell players of low Constitution characters that they can't decide their character goes into a dungeon because only a really tough person would subject themsleves to that type of risk? Because if not, you're applying an extra penalty to players of low Intelligence characters beyond what players of other types of characters have to endure.I'm not sure I follow this. I already brought up how the 5E system places mechanical limitations on characters with low scores which I feel is fairly even across the ability scores that typically get dumped. Low-Intelligence characters have penalties on checks to determine the outcome of efforts to recall or discover information. That's essentially what the Intelligence score represents. Also, I'm not familiar with the use of the term token play, but I am familiar with pawn stance as it's used in GNS theory, and I totally disagree that roleplaying your character using only knowledge and perceptions that your character would have depends in any way on treating the ability scores as a limitation on action declarations.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hriston, post: 8188166, member: 6787503"] But characters don't come up with anything, players do. That's how they play their characters and thereby play the game. Do you also tell players of low Strength or Dexterity characters that they can't make certain decisions because it seems like something a strong or a fast character would do? Or do you tell players of low Constitution characters that they can't decide their character goes into a dungeon because only a really tough person would subject themsleves to that type of risk? Because if not, you're applying an extra penalty to players of low Intelligence characters beyond what players of other types of characters have to endure. I'm not sure I follow this. I already brought up how the 5E system places mechanical limitations on characters with low scores which I feel is fairly even across the ability scores that typically get dumped. Low-Intelligence characters have penalties on checks to determine the outcome of efforts to recall or discover information. That's essentially what the Intelligence score represents. Also, I'm not familiar with the use of the term [I]token play, [/I]but I am familiar with [I]pawn stance [/I]as it's used in GNS theory, and I totally disagree that roleplaying your character using only knowledge and perceptions that your character would have depends in any way on treating the ability scores as a limitation on action declarations. [/QUOTE]

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