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<blockquote data-quote="Guest 6801328" data-source="post: 8188353">No, the DM is doing it wrong.Fact: a 6 Int barbarian could easily know all that.&nbsp; (Honestly the &quot;barbarian&quot; part is a bigger hurdle than the 6 Int part.). He comes from a culture where battling demons and devils is part of their daily existence.&nbsp; Each night around the campfire, the elders tell stories and make sure the youngsters know this vital information.&nbsp; Anybody who is intelligent enough to learn, say, a spoken language, will eventually get it.&nbsp; And somebody who is just 10% less likely than average to succeed at an Intelligence task (Int 6) will get it fairly soon.&nbsp; There just aren't that many demons, devils, and elementals.Any DM who doesn't like that, who doesn't want the players to have that information should....just...change...it.&nbsp; You only need to change the information a few times, to keep them guessing.&nbsp; Instead of forcing the players to pretend to not know stuff, make them genuinely question what they know.&nbsp; It's so simple.&nbsp; It's so much more fun to be genuinely in the dark, rather than being required to play act being in the dark.But, instead, people keep trying to police player thought and enforce B.S. roleplaying standards.That said, if you like playing the other way, keep at it.&nbsp; It's your game.&nbsp; But get off your one-true-way high horse because in reality it's the steaming pile behind the horse.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Guest 6801328, post: 8188353"] No, the DM is doing it wrong. Fact: a 6 Int barbarian could [I]easily[/I] know all that. (Honestly the "barbarian" part is a bigger hurdle than the 6 Int part.). He comes from a culture where battling demons and devils is part of their daily existence. Each night around the campfire, the elders tell stories and make sure the youngsters know this vital information. Anybody who is intelligent enough to learn, say, a spoken language, will eventually get it. And somebody who is just 10% less likely than average to succeed at an Intelligence task (Int 6) will get it fairly soon. There just aren't that many demons, devils, and elementals. Any DM who doesn't like that, who doesn't [I]want[/I] the players to have that information should....just...change...it. You only need to change the information a few times, to keep them guessing. Instead of forcing the players to pretend to not know stuff, make them genuinely question what they know. It's so simple. It's so much more fun to be genuinely in the dark, rather than being required to play act being in the dark. But, instead, people keep trying to police player thought and enforce B.S. roleplaying standards. That said, if you like playing the other way, keep at it. It's your game. But get off your one-true-way high horse because in reality it's the steaming pile [I]behind[/I] the horse. [/QUOTE]

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