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<blockquote data-quote="Guest 6801328" data-source="post: 8188952">It's only &quot;sloppy&quot; if you think there's value in it.&nbsp; If you think it's an uninteresting mode of roleplaying then it's not sloppy to ignore it.It really depends on how important you think the six attributes are in determining who your character is.&nbsp; Certainly if part of the concept is that your character is really dumb, then you should put a low score into Intelligence, even though...no matter which attribute generation system you use...you may not have a low enough number to truly model that.&nbsp; As I said upthread, 8 Int is just a smidgeon below average.&nbsp; But if you want to play a dumb Brute, put your 8 into Int to model it as best you can, and then have at it with the roleplaying. But if &quot;smart&quot; vs &quot;dumb&quot; just isn't part of the character you are trying to portray, then the only purpose that stat serves is to impose a modifier in certain tasks.&nbsp; And it's ridiculous...and grossly exaggerates the importance of those 6 numbers in roleplaying...to call it &quot;lazy&quot; to ignore it.The critique that I often see is that somehow it's cheating to dump Int and then not roleplay it.&nbsp; But don't we do the inverse all the time?&nbsp; At least I do.&nbsp; I put a 12 or a 14 in a stat to get the extra hp, or the extra AC, or the bonus to the Wisdom save, but then I make zero attempt to roleplay a tough or agile or wise character.&nbsp; Because usually the interesting parts of the character concept....the personality, the quirks, the phobias, the relationships, the goals...have pretty much nothing whatsoever to do with the six attributes.&nbsp; And I would so much rather spend my energy portraying those.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Guest 6801328, post: 8188952"] It's only "sloppy" if you think there's value in it. If you think it's an uninteresting mode of roleplaying then it's not sloppy to ignore it. It really depends on how important you think the six attributes are in determining who your character is. Certainly if part of the concept is that your character is really dumb, then you should put a low score into Intelligence, even though...no matter which attribute generation system you use...you may not have a low enough number to truly model that. As I said upthread, 8 Int is just a smidgeon below average. But if you want to play a dumb Brute, put your 8 into Int to model it as best you can, and then have at it with the roleplaying. But if "smart" vs "dumb" just isn't part of the character you are trying to portray, then the only purpose that stat serves is to impose a modifier in certain tasks. And it's ridiculous...and grossly exaggerates the importance of those 6 numbers in roleplaying...to call it "lazy" to ignore it. The critique that I often see is that somehow it's cheating to dump Int and then not roleplay it. But don't we do the inverse all the time? At least I do. I put a 12 or a 14 in a stat to get the extra hp, or the extra AC, or the bonus to the Wisdom save, but then I make zero attempt to roleplay a tough or agile or wise character. Because usually the interesting parts of the character concept....the personality, the quirks, the phobias, the relationships, the goals...have pretty much nothing whatsoever to do with the six attributes. And I would so much rather spend my energy portraying those. [/QUOTE]

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