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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 8205608" data-attributes="member: 22779">Sure, fair enough.&nbsp; Your, my or Dave's character doesn't care about anything, because, well, they don't actually exist.&nbsp; However, you, me and Dave do exist and I find it immersion breaking when other players are so entirely self-absorbed as to completely not care about how they portray their character in a manner consistent with the character that they created.&nbsp; Immersion depends on everyone at the table, not just me.&nbsp; At least, that's the way I view it.&nbsp; I certainly wouldn't want my behavior to hurt your good time.&nbsp; So, I try to present a character that is consistent and as immersive (for lack of a better term - believable?&nbsp; relatable? ) as I can for the other players at the table as well as for myself.I find the notion that someone is playing their character 100% for themselves to be the bane of gaming tables.&nbsp; They just suck all the air from the room because everything is about them and anything that isn't about them isn't important enough to pay any attention to.Nor mine.&nbsp; But, so much of the sort of &quot;soft&quot; mechanical end of things doesn't require die rolls.&nbsp; I find that players who don't care about their character sheets will make impassioned speeches, hoping to game the DM into a success without a roll.&nbsp; After all, I've been repeatedly told that in 5e, only the DM calls for rolls, and, many DM's in the face of play, will skip rolls.&nbsp; Or, again, if your low Wis character never does anything impulsive or your low Int character never makes a mistake, well, it gets old in a hurry.Hardly eggshells.&nbsp; &quot;Play the character you created&quot; shouldn't be considered &quot;walking on eggshells&quot;.&nbsp; That should be the base standard that everyone starts at.&nbsp; That's the bare minimum of play.&nbsp; And, frankly, I have zero interest in beer and pretzels games anymore.&nbsp; It's just mind numbingly boring to me.&nbsp; I'll do my best to entertain the table with my character and I expect everyone else to do the same.&nbsp; Self-absorbed, &quot;I'm here for myself and my own enjoyment&quot; players can find another table.&nbsp; Put a bit of effort into it and I'm ecstatically happy.&nbsp; Just a tiny bit of effort.&nbsp; Smidgeon.&nbsp; A soupçon.&nbsp; That's all I'm asking for.&nbsp; Just a tiny bit of effort from the players. Which, unfortunately, is too much to expect apparently.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 8205608, member: 22779"] Sure, fair enough. Your, my or Dave's character doesn't care about anything, because, well, they don't actually exist. However, you, me and Dave do exist and I find it immersion breaking when other players are so entirely self-absorbed as to completely not care about how they portray their character in a manner consistent with the character that they created. Immersion depends on everyone at the table, not just me. At least, that's the way I view it. I certainly wouldn't want my behavior to hurt your good time. So, I try to present a character that is consistent and as immersive (for lack of a better term - believable? relatable? ) as I can for the other players at the table as well as for myself. I find the notion that someone is playing their character 100% for themselves to be the bane of gaming tables. They just suck all the air from the room because everything is about them and anything that isn't about them isn't important enough to pay any attention to. Nor mine. But, so much of the sort of "soft" mechanical end of things doesn't require die rolls. I find that players who don't care about their character sheets will make impassioned speeches, hoping to game the DM into a success without a roll. After all, I've been repeatedly told that in 5e, only the DM calls for rolls, and, many DM's in the face of play, will skip rolls. Or, again, if your low Wis character never does anything impulsive or your low Int character never makes a mistake, well, it gets old in a hurry. Hardly eggshells. "Play the character you created" shouldn't be considered "walking on eggshells". That should be the base standard that everyone starts at. That's the bare minimum of play. And, frankly, I have zero interest in beer and pretzels games anymore. It's just mind numbingly boring to me. I'll do my best to entertain the table with my character and I expect everyone else to do the same. Self-absorbed, "I'm here for myself and my own enjoyment" players can find another table. Put a bit of effort into it and I'm ecstatically happy. Just a tiny bit of effort. Smidgeon. A soupçon. That's all I'm asking for. Just a tiny bit of effort from the players. Which, unfortunately, is too much to expect apparently. [/QUOTE]

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