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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 6062472" data-attributes="member: 177">No, that won't work at all.In the original, it is Gandalf who discovers and investigates the Necromancer, where he encounters Thrain - Gandalf knows what is up before the quest even begins (90 years before, even), and it is reasonable to think that maybe the quest is in part a convenient cover for Gandalf's movements.  In the movie, they've shifted the discovery of the Necromancer at Dol Guldur to Radagast.  But Gandalf has met Thrain - so that meeting cannot have been at Dol Guldur.  I expect they won't touch on where it was at all, honestly.  Thrain simply entrusted the key to Gandalf, and that's it.They are mucking with Tolkien's timeline considerably, mostly by compression.  In the movie, Gandalf mentions that these days the forest is begin called Mirkwood, as if this is a recent thing the others wouldn't know about.  In the books, it has been known by that name for a couple thousand years!  While I know Saruman can be a bit distant at times, he isn't *that* out of touch. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":P" title="Stick out tongue    :P"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":P" /></blockquote>