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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Meeki" data-source="post: 3888071" data-attributes="member: 17257">Well some of its abilities revolving around the shield will be worthless if the hoplite doesn't pick up monkey grip.  Even if you allow it that doesn't mean they will take it and it is a flaw of the class even in your campaign world.  Allowing the feat doesn't fix the issue.  If you are essentially forcing someone to grab monkey grip then why not make it a pre-req or just put it in the class.             Other than that it seems fine although I can see some of the abilities being abused hard, such as leaping thrust.  Extra rage str + double bonus to jump checks + extra bonus for more speed + SF(jump) = lots of extra damage.    At level 10 when you get leaping thrust you can have 13 ranks + 10 from str (20 str) + 3 from SF = 26 + additional movement over 30 feet  so if I was playing this class I would focus on leaping thrust and have like 31 jump at level 10 doing probably around 5d6 points of extra damage.  More if I entered as barbarian and was able to rage.  It's not horridly broken but just somethign to think about, especially when compared to sneak attack.   Take leaping charge or w/e that feat is and you can do 3x power attack.I'm not complaining about light armor, in fact i think that it helps balance out the class.  I don't really care about its historical value but I was just commenting on the whole idea that its not really a spartan hoplite maybe change the name to something else?As for the shield discussion, maybe to represent direction of attack have the hoplite pick an opponent that the shield bonus will work against or he can pick x many opponents based off his level or something.  This will help capture the protecting the ally from a certain direction aspect.On gouge it says once per level per day but should that be once per day per level?  That's why i was confused on its use.Really I think its a neat class that's why I'm spending so much time providing "constructive criticism" so don't take offense at all.</blockquote>

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