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Message: <blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 9522766" data-attributes="member: 93670">We can't have a discussion based on "well assume the criticism he was responding to was valid reasonable & a thing you agree with" if you can't provide it or even point to specific things you feel were sexist.  I wrote the words "you don't seem to have made any effort to support that bolded bit" while embedding elven maid inn's great tweet on the topic because you made no effort to actually support your claim about Gygax being sexist with any examples that could be discussed.  How can you possibly expect anyone to even rise to the level of simply being capable of engaging in this discussion with you if they need to guess what specific elements that you are claiming was sexist by the standards of the time in the 70's?[spoiler="What she actually wrote was this"][ATTACH=full]387767[/ATTACH][/spoiler]"This is sexist and doesn't hold up to our more enlightened standards today “ is hardly the slam dunk you are making it out to be, not does it say anything that would extend to early d&d with so much force that it needs a couple paragraphs of warning in a history book.All of this <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comics_Code_Authority#1954_Code_criteria" target="_blank">comic code</a> style extreme standard for <a href="https://youtu.be/PhxVlgehNpc?t=2107" target="_blank">inclusivity review</a> uses claims like those being made about gygax & early d&d stuff to support a blowtorch to that old stuff as well....  Can't have old Thay where more advanced but slower breeding elf & dwarf ☆ civilizations eventually succumbed to the less advanced but faster breeding humans through sheer attrition because it included slavery... just change that whole thing to necromancy & undead, totally the same thing right?  Can't even have rules to support have old style dark sun because the world itself is a horrible place with a collapsed civilization barely hanging on with horrors like slavery and desperation for food/water in an environment actively hostile to the continued survival of those living there... totally the same when the rules leave PCs as what effectively amounts to kryptonians visiting scenic athas.  Any grognards who were around or liked that old stuff?  "Those people are not worth listening to"☆Tolkein set that standard decades before d&d</blockquote>

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