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Message: <blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 9523048" data-attributes="member: 93670">I don't think you realize the level of proto-satanic panic that Gygax was responding to & really believe that he was brushing off people who simpoly wanted d&d to be "more appealing"... simply because I don't think you would belive I was quoting the Europa 6-article he was responding to if I didn't come bearing scans[Spoiler="wooooow"][ATTACH=full]387796[/ATTACH][ATTACH=full]387797[/ATTACH][ATTACH=full]387798[/ATTACH]Starts at pg79 as listed on the scans/pg83 by PDF pagecount.  Copy/paste of the questionable but readable OCR below:.<a href="https://whiningkentpigs.com/DW/oldzines/europa6-8.pdf" target="_blank">https://whiningkentpigs.com/DW/oldzines/europa6-8.pdf</a>Wargamer as elitist-The following comments stem from several different sources andideas. Tom Oleson has made several remarKS‘to me in the past. Ihave a review to appear in a future issue of "Panzerfaust" that~touches on sexism. Than appeared Walter's comments on Wargamer—Widow (E 4/5, p 76) ~ and the plea to complain, change recipes,etc. ' -Like the Immortals of the Persian Kings, wargamers are made up ofa special and limited group. Unlike the Immortals, they are notespecially picked, nor are others specifically excluded. Thisgroup of people called wargamers seem to be middle to upper classin background, White, male, bookish of nature, and can spend tre—mendous amount of time and energy acting as if they Were Rommelof the desert, etc. SP1 recently pointed out they send free gamesto those serving prison terms. I think this is great. In effect,We have little contact with women or members of the IOWer class,and there appears to be a racial Split. I haVe met more women war—gamers then black wargamers. I have never met a prisoner who play—ed wargames. ' ' ' ‘E 6—8 page 80 Jack Greene: Isla Vistat******w**************************************wWhy do we constitute such a limited elite? This is a question towhich I hope some of the readers address themselves to. The classsplit could most likely be traced to aVailability and use of gameswithin the middle and upper classes; further there is an "egghead"image that would tend to mean rejection from the lower class. Itcould be argued that the race split would be explained by this aswell. Quite poSSibly black wargamers are blacks who have been in»tegrated into the middle class and hold such values as the middleclass. Finally, from a classic standpoint, the upper class tends‘ to feel it uses its head, instead of its hands. Many wargamersthat I have known are physically totally unexcited in the lifethey lead. That is, wargamers are friends who I would not expectto be on ovarnight hikes, involved heavily in physically demandingwork or play, etc. That these are Vast generaliZations goes with-out saying, but they may give us a perSpeotive to work from.So why are women so uninvolved in wargaming? I would like to givemy own limited thoughts and than have a woman who lives in DAS(my home)(cf E 3) give her view and how she interacts with herlover (who is also a wargamer). One of the reasons I feel Warga—ming is frowned upon by some lies in its very nature — the glori—fication of war and killing. I know when I order ui the Austrianreserves in "Torgau", as Daun I do not think in terms of tha dead,but the glory and spirit of the period. I argue that it is not orb—~1y a good Sound outlet, but that it does teach.Another aspect of wargaming is the time and energy expanded by thehardcore fanatic. Is there any time left for anyone else? Tom Olenson has made the point to me of the horrible truth that a warga~mer hides. That truth being just how much he or she would playwargames if the feeling of guilt and the need to eat were to beremoved.Finally, I view war as an outgrowth of hunting; sometimes a formof scalp taking. Be it cultural or genetic (or both as I feel) menare overwhelmingly the members of the "warrior" class. In turn,wargaming Would tend toaappeal to them. However, the cultural in—fluence I feel is stillavery important consideration. Women arenot "expected" to pla.y soldiers, but instead a.re expected to playwith dolls.As a postscript, any convention should haVe something constructedby women for women so that they do not end up at conventions withnothing to do but Sit at dealei” 5 tables. That is, unless theyWant to enter into one of the tournaments...,What follows is one of the first "recipes" that we had thachanceto exchange in any Wargaming publication:There is a school of thought which puts forth the theory thatman has an instinctive drive to increase h.is territorial hol—dings. Robert Ardrey, author of "African Genesis", calls thedrive the "territorial imperative". Although as a feminist Iobject to the uSe of "man" as the generic for a.l] human kind(including womankind), in this case I Use it advisedly. Theneed for constant expansion of territory seems to me to be amale trait; male dogs, tomcats, roosters, stallions, and bullsare the ones who instinctively assert their masculinity by do—ing battle with any other male of their species who invadestheir neighborhood. This is the territorial imperative atwork.Man is the only creature who consciously kills others of hisown species for sport. Man is the only animal who kills thoseNOT of his own Species for sport. Man is also the only crea—ture who kills females of his own kind for any reason. AtE 6—8, page 81* Jack Greene: Isla Vista*******************************************************************this point I can almost hear Jack reminding me that this wassupposed to be a statement on wargaming, So perhaps I'd bettermake my point.After living with an avid wargamer for over a year, I have cometo the realizatidn that wargaming is a form of sublimation forthe animal kingdom's territorial imperative, and not a pleasantone, at that. It is not to his credit that a man chooses tokill for sport, even if the"bodies" are only cardboard game—pieces. Wargaming-is not, like chess, a game of pure strategy,All the wargamers I have met (and I know several — all male,needless to say), have had a strong element of the homocidalmaniac in their nature. A lust for violence — on the game-board at least « seems to be a prerequisite for being a warga—mer.So far, I have tried to be theoretiCal and objective. But I amcurious to know if there are other women who have shared myfeelings of nausea and dnust when my lover has been involvedin a wargame in the next room, and I have heard him poundingon the table, yelling "BLOOD MUST FLOWII". He is, at that mo—ment, separated from me by a gulf that I don't eVen WANT tobridge. It's no wonder to me that so few women are wargamers.I think that tendency to lose touch with one’s humanity is atrait generally shared by far more men than women, with warga—mine as a prime example. “Wow. There is really not too much else I wish to discuss in thisissuerI am always open to comments and/or questions. I also hope to remceiVe some feedback on the topics discussed and approach to gamereviews that I have taken for ”Europa".(lwlh. No, I don't know who this women is who wrote the above sta—.tements. Jack answered: "...the woman wanted to remain unknown;she lives in the house. There will be more coming along in thisvein which has rocked me to my roots as far as my being a wargamerand what that means in full brOad philisopichal sic — terms". Ireally look forward to "more in this vein" of this unknown — and"other — SHEs.)((wlh. And: Re—read the last sentenCes of Jack‘s article... He .-and all the others, including me, contribuating to E Would liketo get some response from you; there can't be a silent majorityin a zine like E I even consider whether I shouldn't limit hepermission (1) to subscribe to those who are willing to contributemore or less regularely... Actually, why not?I have no feedback—system — and I don't intend to ever have one,Since I don't believe in it. But: there are your letters, your re—views in other zines « this is the only feedback—system I agreewith.But, again, your comments and your reviews are of no big use, ifyou only write that Jack’s, Tom's, Rian’s (etc etc) article hasbeen excellent/good/interesting §etc etc) as usual — though, ofcourse this also is nice of you and better than nothing at allor even the contrary). neviews mentioning that E has imprOVed, isan excellent zine (etc etc) are nice too, and of course I am 1i—king them also. But, that is not what I, what we really need (nordo I intend torpﬁblish this kind of reviews and comments here — asothers do in their Mail/Reader's Columns).PleaSe, be more precise: write your THOUGHTS, your ideas, your mo—re detailed comments. At least, if you are interested also thatthose contribuating to E continue to write such articles...)).[/Spoiler]<a href="https://www.chick.com/products/tract?stk=0046&srsltid=AfmBOoqlOS1ZrvzbHdQ8EKcTrfs6St758A5-1hiFIin3KRnMBEjI8L7E" target="_blank">It made Chick tracts about blackleaf sound like positively reasonable criticism</a> & we should remember that this is a topic where multiple posters calling Gygax & early d&d sexist have stated that we can't assume sarcasm or anything of the sort & need to take all of that as if it were writted in the totally seriousnes manner it seems to present as.</blockquote>

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