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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 9523108" data-attributes="member: 23751"><p>So the order of things. </p><p></p><p>I made the argument in the other thread about needing to understand Gygax in part via his being a product of his time.  I never mentioned whether he was better or worse than others with his sexism.  Not until YOU and some others tried to tell me that he was worse than most of the others of his time period because of a few people in colleges and/or feminists called him and others out.  That necessitated my pointing out that he in fact wasn't worse than most and why.  That necessity carried over into this thread.</p><p></p><p>What you did was take the order of things out of context and merge those two different parts of my arguments here to make it sound a way that I didn't use it.</p><p></p><p>As for "appropriate response," not all sexism should be responded to equally.  Like any bad behavior, there are degrees and without understanding the person outside of the sexist acts, you will almost surely get the response wrong, reacting either too harshly or not harshly enough.  My arguments about understanding and an appropriate level of response don't equate to an argument to lighten your(general you) reaction to Gygax's sexism.  In some cases people who bother to understand will increase their reaction, not lessen it.</p><p></p><p>Lastly, I never said he barely swung the pendulum, or even swung the pendulum at all.  My thoughts about the pendulum were about the reactions to it on both sides.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 9523108, member: 23751"] So the order of things. I made the argument in the other thread about needing to understand Gygax in part via his being a product of his time. I never mentioned whether he was better or worse than others with his sexism. Not until YOU and some others tried to tell me that he was worse than most of the others of his time period because of a few people in colleges and/or feminists called him and others out. That necessitated my pointing out that he in fact wasn't worse than most and why. That necessity carried over into this thread. What you did was take the order of things out of context and merge those two different parts of my arguments here to make it sound a way that I didn't use it. As for "appropriate response," not all sexism should be responded to equally. Like any bad behavior, there are degrees and without understanding the person outside of the sexist acts, you will almost surely get the response wrong, reacting either too harshly or not harshly enough. My arguments about understanding and an appropriate level of response don't equate to an argument to lighten your(general you) reaction to Gygax's sexism. In some cases people who bother to understand will increase their reaction, not lessen it. Lastly, I never said he barely swung the pendulum, or even swung the pendulum at all. My thoughts about the pendulum were about the reactions to it on both sides. [/QUOTE]
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