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Message: <blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 9523528" data-attributes="member: 93670">Yes and no, but there's a critical difference here between being born in the 70's where your biggest gains are things like piotty trauinging & elementary school vrs & growing up in the 70's when you maybe got your first job. You don't specify which of those is the case & it really matters because that bold bit depends on where you are from & a lot of specifics and what changed  in your lifetime.You claim that you "grew up in the 70's, so you probably remember discussions spawned from archie bunker in all in the family along with many examples of controversy from the golden girls☆ like one where someone was dating a jewish guy & a country club or the one with the black kid where (blanch?) was being casually Harmlessly racist to her (but extremely so by the times.  Going to quote a section of this[URL unfurl="true"]https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FairForItsDay[/URL]We can use a perfect example of this that is also from roughly the same period in time and both of them are from the same source.   In Star Trek the original pilot Una Chin-Riley Number One <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_One_(Star_Trek)#Controversy" target="_blank">According to Gene Roddenberry and Stephen Whitfield, the prominence of a woman among the crew of a starship was one of the reasons the original Star Trek pilot was rejected by NBC, who, in addition to calling the pilot "too cerebral," felt the alien Spock and a female senior officer would be rejected by audiences.[9] Roddenberry related the tale of how women of the era had difficulty accepting her as well</a>.  It was only in 68 when kirk & uhura kissed in Plato's stepchildren.  1966 & 1968 wasn't that far back from early d&d that we should expect a wily different standard to have taken root.   I don't think that there is any reason to expect that early d&d would have faced a lower bar than Star Trek TOS season3.The trouble with presenting "problematic" elements of early d&d without actually being specific while gloating about Streisand effect & such is that you miss out on historical elements is that you miss out on context like what was added by Sacrosanct  in <a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/the-human-side-of-d-d-history-from-gary-gygax-to-temple-of-elemental-evil.708147/post-9523448" target="_blank">209</a> or how things like those "goodwives" were also a bit of folk wisdom that despite the even larger power imbalance adventurers should to respect women not sleep around & use the even greater power imbalance of being both male and a powerful adventurer when you should already know the <a href="https://thehusbandsclub.com/shotgun-wedding-an-in-depth-look/" target="_blank">life altering consequences</a>.  IoW  <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4m1EFMoRFvY" target="_blank">shoulda put a ring on it for the other gender of a different era</a>.  Likewise sex based attribute differences might seem icky & dated by today's standards, but in the day they also meant that there were tables who said "heck yea girls make great clerics" instead of "don't be stupid, girls can't be adventurers" because they existed back when another of Hasbro's current games was sporting <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinteresting/comments/jedmwo/old_games_very_sexist_battleship_cover/" target="_blank">this</a> box cover complete with dishwashing☆I know there were others but those are the only ones I recall & those are mostly from having stumbled across notable clips.</blockquote>

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