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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9670477" data-attributes="member: 18">Agree with everything you're doing here but I'm sorry, Knave? We've gone out of the frying pan and directly into the fire!You've gone from:&quot;Dumb name, looks ugly, doesn't mean anything, kind of hard to say&quot;To&quot;Ridiculous name which makes you sound like a prankster or jester, and definitely totally unserious and unthreatening&quot;.Maybe to an American it sounds different but I doubt that's broadly true, I know multiple Americans would openly guffaw if you told them your class was &quot;Knave&quot; and they would 100% expect you to be some kind of Bardic prankster. Or best case a Rogue who was primarily a con artist, not a combatant or acrobat or trap-disarmer.So no to Knave, you actually went there and found a genuinely worse name than Illrigger - I didn't think it could be done, but girl you pulled it out! Talk about falling at the finish line!Questing Beast games lost a sale because their game has a dumb name btw, I literally couldn't put a game called &quot;Knave&quot; in front of my RPG group (unless it was a joke-y Paranoia-type game or something). It literally might as well be called &quot;Jester&quot; - actually no, that would be less bad than Knave!&nbsp; I cannot overemphasize the fundamental, insoluble unseriousness of the word &quot;knave&quot; in English English. At best it's ren-faire talk and we don't do ren-faires here.Blackguard would work if you're going for that sort of vibe. Sorry if you already changed but jesus wept lol.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 9670477, member: 18"] Agree with everything you're doing here but I'm sorry, Knave? We've gone out of the frying pan and directly into the fire! You've gone from: "Dumb name, looks ugly, doesn't mean anything, kind of hard to say" To "Ridiculous name which makes you sound like a prankster or jester, and definitely totally unserious and unthreatening". Maybe to an American it sounds different but I doubt that's broadly true, I know multiple Americans would openly guffaw if you told them your class was "Knave" and they would 100% expect you to be some kind of Bardic prankster. Or best case a Rogue who was primarily a con artist, not a combatant or acrobat or trap-disarmer. So no to Knave, you actually went there and found a genuinely worse name than Illrigger - I didn't think it could be done, but girl you pulled it out! Talk about falling at the finish line! Questing Beast games lost a sale because their game has a dumb name btw, I literally couldn't put a game called "Knave" in front of my RPG group (unless it was a joke-y Paranoia-type game or something). It literally might as well be called "Jester" - actually no, that would be less bad than Knave! I cannot overemphasize the fundamental, insoluble unseriousness of the word "knave" in English English. At best it's ren-faire talk and we don't do ren-faires here. Blackguard would work if you're going for that sort of vibe. Sorry if you already changed but jesus wept lol. [/QUOTE]

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