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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DragonLancer" data-source="post: 3379221" data-attributes="member: 11868">I don't think you are quite grasping what I am saying. I agree with what you are saying here but its a different discussion.What I was talking about was the example about my play group. Its difficult to compare to other people's games but I would say that we like to play an "average" level game. That means that the characters arn't lame, venerable aged, one eyed and 1st level. They also arn't the optimised characters that are fairly prevalent by reading these forums. They fall into a middle ground. When you have a group of players and DM (myself) who enjoy that level of game as opposed to the fully optimised variety, but have a powergamer who really wants to go the whole hog, its not fair on the rest of the group to have to compromise to the powergamer. He should be the one coming down to the level of the others, or respectfully, looking for a group that plays to his style.I'm referring to my group not anyone else's, but my points earlier are still valid across the board I think.</blockquote>