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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DND_Reborn" data-source="post: 8638957" data-attributes="member: 6987520">Ok, I thought that was what you meant, but I would have proficiency go from +2 to +8, maybe +10 or even +11.... One of the things I hate about 5E is the +2 to +6 for everything 17 levels or more of experience represents is just laughable IMO.If you read my other thread, I don't want ASIs linked to levels at all and prefer them to be downtime activities for increasing them.Feats in general are too powerful IMO. I remember the feat chains from 3E (including d20 SW) and wasn't fond of them. Feats in 5E vary in power, of course, and we recently retooled all of them into half-feats. Now, with ASIs going to downtime activities, I am just removing the ASI from the half-feats, and the toned down feats are at a power level more to my liking. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Which would be an antithesis for myself and the game style I like to play.Hmm... that is good to know, so thanks for pointing it out, but...There are probably some element from 4E I would like, just as there are some from 5E I really like, but...Yeah, I totally agree, which was part of the reason why I struggle between:1. Playing 5E as is2. Modding 5E to what I want3. Finding a new game which meets all my criteria4. Finding players to play AD&D or B/X5. Just walking away from gaming in general.6 Probably some other options...From what I have read (limited) and heard, 4E suffers from the same issue 5E has: feature bloat. I remember a PC, I think maybe 7th level, which between races and class had something like 20+ features! It was crazy. So, I experimented with "fewer features" a while back, and it appealed to me (and maybe some others), but the idea of removing "toys" from players once they have them has never been very popular.The plethora of powers and features and everything similar in 4E is most definitely NOT what I want in a game. It many ways it seems worse than 5E in that respect. And so I do think 4E is really an option for me--the edition (as a whole) is simply unappealing.</blockquote>

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