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<blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 8066159" data-attributes="member: 6795602">Not a red herring as it's specifically related to the simulation in question and it's important to that discussion.But I agree that in terms of a mathematical model we just have to estimate the number of kills a PC will have on average in an encounter.In a 4 round encounter with 4 enemies and 4 identical PC's, each PC would kill 1 enemy on average.&nbsp; The fighter type pc's we are looking at likely do more DPR and so will get a slightly larger proportion of those kills but the last kill also doesn't affect overkill.&nbsp; I think those factors will come close to canceling out.&nbsp; So to me I think 1 kill per encounter is a very fair picture but I'm open to alternative reasonings there.So if you applied the extra attack on kill effect and overkill first and then the -5/+10 would that mean that the increase in damage was coming from -5/+10 and the bonus action attack did next to nothing?&nbsp; The point is whatever effect you apply last will appear to be the leading cause of the damage improvement.&nbsp; Thoughts?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="FrogReaver, post: 8066159, member: 6795602"] Not a red herring as it's specifically related to the simulation in question and it's important to that discussion. But I agree that in terms of a mathematical model we just have to estimate the number of kills a PC will have on average in an encounter. In a 4 round encounter with 4 enemies and 4 identical PC's, each PC would kill 1 enemy on average. The fighter type pc's we are looking at likely do more DPR and so will get a slightly larger proportion of those kills but the last kill also doesn't affect overkill. I think those factors will come close to canceling out. So to me I think 1 kill per encounter is a very fair picture but I'm open to alternative reasonings there. So if you applied the extra attack on kill effect and overkill first and then the -5/+10 would that mean that the increase in damage was coming from -5/+10 and the bonus action attack did next to nothing? The point is whatever effect you apply last will appear to be the leading cause of the damage improvement. Thoughts? [/QUOTE]

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