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<blockquote data-quote="Rechan" data-source="post: 4675430" data-attributes="member: 54846"><p>Are you saying that you don't see enough blind hatred of WotC? Or that you don't see enough people making hyperbolic stupid claims because they're upset with how a company changed their product?</p><p></p><p>What exactly is your point there? Because a class action lawsuit because the game changed is... there's not a polite way to really phrase how dumb that is.</p><p></p><p>I've seen many people who make the WotC=D&D connection be <em>against</em> 4e, because they think WotC is corrupting what D&D is. That because WotC = D&D, and WotC is wrong, they're making D&D bad. </p><p></p><p>You really want to see some hatred of WotC? Step over to Paizo's boards. You would think the decision to discontinue print Dragon and Dungeon was on par with running over someone's first pet.</p><p></p><p>I don't think WotC is an angel, or even "good". When I see WotC, I see <em>the designers</em>. And quite frankly, I think the designers are good guys. I like their ideas. They stop by here and post occasionally. So I consider harsh, vindictive, demonizing criticism an attack at the <em>them</em>. WotC may be a corporation, but it's <em>also</em> a business run by gamers, for gamers. The people at WotC <em>like D&D</em>. I don't doubt their like of the game. So I don't see the point in attacking them for desiring to ruin D&D.</p><p></p><p>Criticize the content of the decisions, sure. But to attributing ulterior motives, that's unfair.</p><p></p><p>I also object to the demonizing of WotC for no reason than them doing something different or doing it badly. Take for instance the GSL. Many, many threads, people say that WotC just wants to kill third party publications, that they have no respect, don't want them to play, etc. That the neutered GSL is to kill all competition. That they're taking forever because they want 3PP to starve to death.</p><p></p><p>That's just uncalled for. Especially when people like Scott Rouse are working hard on it, but they get crapped on because he's not making it priority 1. Anyone who has worked in a bureaucracy knows how slow things move, especially when you have multiple departments involved.</p><p></p><p>I think there are legitimate grounds to criticise WotC over. In a reasonable manner. But I'll defend WotC when I see unreasonable, venomous criticism. And the lion's share of what I have seen has been unreasonable.</p><p></p><p>And if you love D&D and believe it's YOUR game, nothing the custodian of a legacy can do to it to take that away from you. Nothing that the custodian can do can stop you from playing what you like, or enjoying it, or what memories it left with you. Like you said, it's personal. But no change can change what it means to you, what it meant to you, and what you did with it when you were a kid. For instance, no matter <em>what</em> Disney does <em>now</em>, it won't change the memories you have of your first visit to Disneyland as a little kid.</p><p></p><p>Like you said, this is personal. So how much of the objection is personal? How much of it is "This hurts my feelings"? </p><p></p><p>How much of that objections is merely objection to change, any change? Mere traditionalism, regardless of the content of the new direction?</p><p></p><p>And, like you said, it's personal. Those who <em>like</em> the current direction take it personal when they see accusations that D&D has been taken in the wrong direction. It's seen as being told "What you like is wrong, and we don't think you should play D&D that way".</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Rechan, post: 4675430, member: 54846"] Are you saying that you don't see enough blind hatred of WotC? Or that you don't see enough people making hyperbolic stupid claims because they're upset with how a company changed their product? What exactly is your point there? Because a class action lawsuit because the game changed is... there's not a polite way to really phrase how dumb that is. I've seen many people who make the WotC=D&D connection be [I]against[/I] 4e, because they think WotC is corrupting what D&D is. That because WotC = D&D, and WotC is wrong, they're making D&D bad. You really want to see some hatred of WotC? Step over to Paizo's boards. You would think the decision to discontinue print Dragon and Dungeon was on par with running over someone's first pet. I don't think WotC is an angel, or even "good". When I see WotC, I see [I]the designers[/I]. And quite frankly, I think the designers are good guys. I like their ideas. They stop by here and post occasionally. So I consider harsh, vindictive, demonizing criticism an attack at the [I]them[/I]. WotC may be a corporation, but it's [I]also[/I] a business run by gamers, for gamers. The people at WotC [I]like D&D[/I]. I don't doubt their like of the game. So I don't see the point in attacking them for desiring to ruin D&D. Criticize the content of the decisions, sure. But to attributing ulterior motives, that's unfair. I also object to the demonizing of WotC for no reason than them doing something different or doing it badly. Take for instance the GSL. Many, many threads, people say that WotC just wants to kill third party publications, that they have no respect, don't want them to play, etc. That the neutered GSL is to kill all competition. That they're taking forever because they want 3PP to starve to death. That's just uncalled for. Especially when people like Scott Rouse are working hard on it, but they get crapped on because he's not making it priority 1. Anyone who has worked in a bureaucracy knows how slow things move, especially when you have multiple departments involved. I think there are legitimate grounds to criticise WotC over. In a reasonable manner. But I'll defend WotC when I see unreasonable, venomous criticism. And the lion's share of what I have seen has been unreasonable. And if you love D&D and believe it's YOUR game, nothing the custodian of a legacy can do to it to take that away from you. Nothing that the custodian can do can stop you from playing what you like, or enjoying it, or what memories it left with you. Like you said, it's personal. But no change can change what it means to you, what it meant to you, and what you did with it when you were a kid. For instance, no matter [I]what[/I] Disney does [I]now[/I], it won't change the memories you have of your first visit to Disneyland as a little kid. Like you said, this is personal. So how much of the objection is personal? How much of it is "This hurts my feelings"? How much of that objections is merely objection to change, any change? Mere traditionalism, regardless of the content of the new direction? And, like you said, it's personal. Those who [i]like[/i] the current direction take it personal when they see accusations that D&D has been taken in the wrong direction. It's seen as being told "What you like is wrong, and we don't think you should play D&D that way". [/QUOTE]
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