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<blockquote data-quote="Kichwas" data-source="post: 4677871" data-attributes="member: 891"><p>Anytime something people have a lot of vested emotion in radically changes you get camps of people dedicated to defending tradition and camps dedicated to advocating for change. When it is the 'powers that be' that iniates the change it becomes even more muddled, as you get the traditionalist aligning with the revolutionaries and the liberals working for 'the man.'</p><p></p><p>And that's about the state of things here.</p><p></p><p>We've all run to our labels, found some strange bedfellows there, and tossed out the usual arguments at each other.</p><p></p><p>Nobody's happy.</p><p></p><p>In order to get around that shark without jumping it, you need to break tradition while appearing to conform, and you need to be 'the man' while appearing to be a pack of outsiders - ie: a new administration / regime change. Kind of like how WotC pulled off 3.0.</p><p></p><p>It was all about the timing, and a stream of adds proclaiming the return to the dungeon. They even carted Gygax out for a few hand waving moments. Yet they were the new kids on the block, and it definitely wasn't the same rock n' roll we grew up on. It just had the right wrapping - they got us all in the same bed for a few years.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Oh:</p><p>The other topic in this thread... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Marijuana in its natural state might not be addictive or harmful, but more and more of the newer strains of the drug are getting produced to have a more potent effect. Some of those new strains end up being lethal. And if you're buying that crap on the street - you've got no idea what its been dipped or dosed in. You can be pretty sure the guy selling it to you wants to find a way to make it addictive, and whoever's growing his supply is probably working on that.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">It could be argued that prostitution reduces victims, if you look at it from the PoV of reducing the spread of STDs and lowering human trafficking. On the other hand, human trafficking has gone -UP- in many places that legalized Prostitution, such as Germany and the Netherlands. But at that point its an immigration issue. Its going up for the same reason your local farmer is using illegal workers (Slavery lost out in the 19th century when it became cheaper to pay less than a living wage to a worker - giving the 'free' world stronger economic power. But in today's global world, it has become even cheaper to simply replace a dead slave... ergo human trafficking / slavery is once again profitable). On the other hand, if you look at prostitution from a moral PoV - it has victims in spouses, Johns, and workers. But when illegal these victims lack health checks and you get things like children born with AIDS from mothers who have never been with anyone other than their husbands...</span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Kichwas, post: 4677871, member: 891"] Anytime something people have a lot of vested emotion in radically changes you get camps of people dedicated to defending tradition and camps dedicated to advocating for change. When it is the 'powers that be' that iniates the change it becomes even more muddled, as you get the traditionalist aligning with the revolutionaries and the liberals working for 'the man.' And that's about the state of things here. We've all run to our labels, found some strange bedfellows there, and tossed out the usual arguments at each other. Nobody's happy. In order to get around that shark without jumping it, you need to break tradition while appearing to conform, and you need to be 'the man' while appearing to be a pack of outsiders - ie: a new administration / regime change. Kind of like how WotC pulled off 3.0. It was all about the timing, and a stream of adds proclaiming the return to the dungeon. They even carted Gygax out for a few hand waving moments. Yet they were the new kids on the block, and it definitely wasn't the same rock n' roll we grew up on. It just had the right wrapping - they got us all in the same bed for a few years. Oh: The other topic in this thread... :) [SIZE="1"]Marijuana in its natural state might not be addictive or harmful, but more and more of the newer strains of the drug are getting produced to have a more potent effect. Some of those new strains end up being lethal. And if you're buying that crap on the street - you've got no idea what its been dipped or dosed in. You can be pretty sure the guy selling it to you wants to find a way to make it addictive, and whoever's growing his supply is probably working on that. It could be argued that prostitution reduces victims, if you look at it from the PoV of reducing the spread of STDs and lowering human trafficking. On the other hand, human trafficking has gone -UP- in many places that legalized Prostitution, such as Germany and the Netherlands. But at that point its an immigration issue. Its going up for the same reason your local farmer is using illegal workers (Slavery lost out in the 19th century when it became cheaper to pay less than a living wage to a worker - giving the 'free' world stronger economic power. But in today's global world, it has become even cheaper to simply replace a dead slave... ergo human trafficking / slavery is once again profitable). On the other hand, if you look at prostitution from a moral PoV - it has victims in spouses, Johns, and workers. But when illegal these victims lack health checks and you get things like children born with AIDS from mothers who have never been with anyone other than their husbands...[/SIZE] [/QUOTE]
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