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<blockquote data-quote="Majoru Oakheart" data-source="post: 4681972" data-attributes="member: 5143">I agree.&nbsp; The thing I found was difficult about running 2e was that the ONLY attack you could make was just...attack.&nbsp; Because of that, people would either: a) get bored and try &quot;stunts&quot;b) try &quot;stunts&quot;, not knowing there were no rules for them.Then, the game slowed to a halt as I'd have to think about a rule that seemed balanced, finish the resulting argument about whether that rule was &quot;realistic&quot; enough, and eventually resolve the action.The arguments pretty much always went like this:Player: &quot;I attempt to leap off the ledge an on to the Ogre's back and hold on to him.&quot;DM: &quot;Alright, make me a Dex check to see if you can grab on to the Ogre.&quot;Player: &quot;Dex check?&nbsp; But I have a 6 Dex.&nbsp; Shouldn't it be a Strength check?&nbsp; It's not like the Ogre is very small or anything.&nbsp; I can easily hit it, it's just a matter of holding on.&quot;DM: &quot;No, you need to first aim correctly while it is moving around and you are jumping, it requires a lot of coordination.&quot;Player: &quot;Then I don't want to try it.&quot;DM: &quot;Too bad, you said you were doing it, you don't know the chance of success before you try something.&quot;Player: &quot;Woo hoo, I rolled a 2, I made it by 4!&quot;DM: &quot;Sure, you are holding on to its back, and it can't hit you since it can't reach back there.&nbsp; You'll need to make a Dex check to hold on every round, though.&nbsp; You can attack as normal.&quot;Rogue Player: &quot;So, if I succeed in a Dex check, I can grab on to the back of enemies and they can't hit me?&nbsp; And I can backstab them every round?&nbsp; I have an 18 Dex, that's awesome.&quot;DM: &quot;Umm, yeah...that's what I just ruled....mind you, I wasn't really thinking of an 18 Dex rogue doing it in every combat when I ruled that....maybe this wasn't such a good idea.&nbsp; I can't think of a better way of doing it.&nbsp; Sorry, I'm going to have to rule that the Ogre is moving around too much, it's just impossible to grab on to him.&quot;Player: &quot;Fine, I just attack him.&quot;And that was one of the simple ones.&nbsp; If you got a couple of players who had a vested interest in making sure a new rule worked well for them, an argument could easily take 2-3 hours.&nbsp; I remember one argument where 4 people and the DM were out of their chairs demonstrating a stunt to prove to their DM that it wasn't impossible and the DM pointing out reasons they weren't doing it right for hours.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Majoru Oakheart, post: 4681972, member: 5143"] I agree. The thing I found was difficult about running 2e was that the ONLY attack you could make was just...attack. Because of that, people would either: a) get bored and try "stunts" b) try "stunts", not knowing there were no rules for them. Then, the game slowed to a halt as I'd have to think about a rule that seemed balanced, finish the resulting argument about whether that rule was "realistic" enough, and eventually resolve the action. The arguments pretty much always went like this: Player: "I attempt to leap off the ledge an on to the Ogre's back and hold on to him." DM: "Alright, make me a Dex check to see if you can grab on to the Ogre." Player: "Dex check? But I have a 6 Dex. Shouldn't it be a Strength check? It's not like the Ogre is very small or anything. I can easily hit it, it's just a matter of holding on." DM: "No, you need to first aim correctly while it is moving around and you are jumping, it requires a lot of coordination." Player: "Then I don't want to try it." DM: "Too bad, you said you were doing it, you don't know the chance of success before you try something." Player: "Woo hoo, I rolled a 2, I made it by 4!" DM: "Sure, you are holding on to its back, and it can't hit you since it can't reach back there. You'll need to make a Dex check to hold on every round, though. You can attack as normal." Rogue Player: "So, if I succeed in a Dex check, I can grab on to the back of enemies and they can't hit me? And I can backstab them every round? I have an 18 Dex, that's awesome." DM: "Umm, yeah...that's what I just ruled....mind you, I wasn't really thinking of an 18 Dex rogue doing it in every combat when I ruled that....maybe this wasn't such a good idea. I can't think of a better way of doing it. Sorry, I'm going to have to rule that the Ogre is moving around too much, it's just impossible to grab on to him." Player: "Fine, I just attack him." And that was one of the simple ones. If you got a couple of players who had a vested interest in making sure a new rule worked well for them, an argument could easily take 2-3 hours. I remember one argument where 4 people and the DM were out of their chairs demonstrating a stunt to prove to their DM that it wasn't impossible and the DM pointing out reasons they weren't doing it right for hours. [/QUOTE]

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