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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8643240" data-attributes="member: 18">Do they though?Really?Even non-fantasy readers who are at least mildly thoughtful and have actually read the books tend to read C.S. Lewis the riot act re: his pretty wild outright misogyny. The problem is the thoughtless people who are just generationally passing Narnia stuff down, and haven't re-read it and gone &quot;Holy hell, this gets mega-sexist!&quot; (the fact that it doesn't floor it into full-on &quot;women are bad, especially women who are sexual beings&quot; misogyny until like, the last book that most people read probably influences this - The Magicians sure as hell remembered that though), and they also tend to ignore the blatant and violent Islamophobia (which IIRC, doesn't really kick off properly until book 3).And like, I dunno anyone who doesn't think Tolkien is at least a bit sexist. Not anyone who is professional contrarian who lives on the internet anyway. When the films came out there was a ton of discussion of it and of how the films made an effort to give the female characters a larger role, and even with that effort, it was still a fairly small one. I strongly suspect film-Galadriel alone gets Tolkien cut more slack than he should be by people who never read the books.But yes, next to those guys? REH looks amazing. So it is unfair if someone thinks those two are fine or whatever.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 8643240, member: 18"] Do they though? Really? Even non-fantasy readers who are at least mildly thoughtful and have actually read the books tend to read C.S. Lewis the riot act re: his pretty wild outright misogyny. The problem is the thoughtless people who are just generationally passing Narnia stuff down, and haven't re-read it and gone "Holy hell, this gets mega-sexist!" (the fact that it doesn't floor it into full-on "women are bad, especially women who are sexual beings" misogyny until like, the last book that most people read probably influences this - The Magicians sure as hell remembered that though), and they also tend to ignore the blatant and violent Islamophobia (which IIRC, doesn't really kick off properly until book 3). And like, I dunno anyone who doesn't think Tolkien is at least a bit sexist. Not anyone who is professional contrarian who lives on the internet anyway. When the films came out there was a ton of discussion of it and of how the films made an effort to give the female characters a larger role, and even with that effort, it was still a fairly small one. I strongly suspect film-Galadriel alone gets Tolkien cut more slack than he should be by people who never read the books. But yes, next to those guys? REH looks [I]amazing[/I]. So it is unfair if someone thinks those two are fine or whatever. [/QUOTE]

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