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<blockquote data-quote="doctorbadwolf" data-source="post: 8027752" data-attributes="member: 6704184"><p>Love the thoughts on Menzobaranzan.</p><p></p><p>A quick note on flying races, though. The square cube law doesn’t prevent a 5 foot tall creature from flying. Larger creatures have flown IRL. The <em>argentavis magnificens</em> weighed 150-180 lbs, had a wingspan of about 16-21 ft, and it’s height while standing was about 5-6ft. That’s all within humanoid ranges, with a wingspan that can be folded in just fine to fit in medium sized spaces. (And there were notably larger and heavier flying creatures before argentavis. See the bottom of my post)</p><p></p><p>Obviously do what works for you, just thought I’d share that.</p><p></p><p>For more info, here is a wikipedia link with good referencing, and a quote for those who aren’t interested enough to dive into research. “</p><p>The ability to fly is not a simple question of weight ratios, except in extreme cases; size and structure of the wing must also be taken into account. As a rule of thumb, a <a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wing_loading" target="_blank">wing loading</a> of 25 kg/m2 is considered the limit for avian flight.<a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentavis#cite_note-Meunier-12" target="_blank">[12]</a> The heaviest extant flying birds are known to weigh up to 21 kg (46 lb) (there are several contenders, among which are the European <a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_bustard" target="_blank">great bustard</a> and the African <a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kori_bustard" target="_blank">kori bustard</a>). An individual <a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mute_swan" target="_blank">mute swan</a>, which may have lost the power of flight due to extreme weight, was found to have weighed 23 kg (51 lb).<a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentavis#cite_note-Wood-11" target="_blank">[11]</a> Meanwhile, the <a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarus_crane" target="_blank">sarus crane</a> is the tallest flying bird alive, at up to 1.8 m (5 ft 11 in) tall, standing about as high as Argentavis due to its long legs and neck.</p><p></p><p>The largest flying creatures overall that are known to exist are not birds, but instead distantly-related <a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archosaur" target="_blank">archosaurs</a>, namely the <a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azhdarchidae" target="_blank">azhdarchid</a> <a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pterosaur" target="_blank">pterosaurs</a> of the <a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cretaceous" target="_blank">Cretaceous</a>. The wingspans of larger azhdarchids, such as <a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quetzalcoatlus" target="_blank">Quetzalcoatlus</a> and <a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatzegopteryx" target="_blank">Hatzegopteryx</a>, have been estimated to exceed 10 m (33 ft), with less conservative estimates being 12 m (39 ft) or more. Mass estimates for these azhdarchids are on the order of 200–250 kg (440–550 lb) and their estimated height on the ground was roughly analogous to an <a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephant" target="_blank">elephant</a> or small <a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giraffe" target="_blank">giraffe</a>.<a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentavis#cite_note-wittonweight2010-13" target="_blank">[13]</a>”</p><p></p><p>Quetzalcoatlus was <em>immense. </em>A Goliath sized flyer would need a much different body than a standard humanoid, but it’s hardly impossible. It’s happened before!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="doctorbadwolf, post: 8027752, member: 6704184"] Love the thoughts on Menzobaranzan. A quick note on flying races, though. The square cube law doesn’t prevent a 5 foot tall creature from flying. Larger creatures have flown IRL. The [I]argentavis magnificens[/I] weighed 150-180 lbs, had a wingspan of about 16-21 ft, and it’s height while standing was about 5-6ft. That’s all within humanoid ranges, with a wingspan that can be folded in just fine to fit in medium sized spaces. (And there were notably larger and heavier flying creatures before argentavis. See the bottom of my post) Obviously do what works for you, just thought I’d share that. For more info, here is a wikipedia link with good referencing, and a quote for those who aren’t interested enough to dive into research. “ The ability to fly is not a simple question of weight ratios, except in extreme cases; size and structure of the wing must also be taken into account. As a rule of thumb, a [URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wing_loading']wing loading[/URL] of 25 kg/m2 is considered the limit for avian flight.[URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentavis#cite_note-Meunier-12'][12][/URL] The heaviest extant flying birds are known to weigh up to 21 kg (46 lb) (there are several contenders, among which are the European [URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_bustard']great bustard[/URL] and the African [URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kori_bustard']kori bustard[/URL]). An individual [URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mute_swan']mute swan[/URL], which may have lost the power of flight due to extreme weight, was found to have weighed 23 kg (51 lb).[URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentavis#cite_note-Wood-11'][11][/URL] Meanwhile, the [URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarus_crane']sarus crane[/URL] is the tallest flying bird alive, at up to 1.8 m (5 ft 11 in) tall, standing about as high as Argentavis due to its long legs and neck. The largest flying creatures overall that are known to exist are not birds, but instead distantly-related [URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archosaur']archosaurs[/URL], namely the [URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azhdarchidae']azhdarchid[/URL] [URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pterosaur']pterosaurs[/URL] of the [URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cretaceous']Cretaceous[/URL]. The wingspans of larger azhdarchids, such as [URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quetzalcoatlus']Quetzalcoatlus[/URL] and [URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatzegopteryx']Hatzegopteryx[/URL], have been estimated to exceed 10 m (33 ft), with less conservative estimates being 12 m (39 ft) or more. Mass estimates for these azhdarchids are on the order of 200–250 kg (440–550 lb) and their estimated height on the ground was roughly analogous to an [URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephant']elephant[/URL] or small [URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giraffe']giraffe[/URL].[URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentavis#cite_note-wittonweight2010-13'][13][/URL]” Quetzalcoatlus was [I]immense. [/I]A Goliath sized flyer would need a much different body than a standard humanoid, but it’s hardly impossible. It’s happened before! [/QUOTE]
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