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Message: <blockquote data-quote="doctorbadwolf" data-source="post: 8027906" data-attributes="member: 6704184">Um...nope. Firstly, argentavis had a wingspan ranging from 16ft to 20ft. Secondly, so what? Flying creatures dont' generally walk around with their wings out, they're tucked up against the body. Third, adding a set of limbs is literally less of a big deal than things like dragonborn breath weapons. It's a fantasy game, and you're balking at vanishingly small problems. Lastly, hollow bones aren't a problem. I don't know where you get the idea that they are, but they aren't. They're incredibly strong. People think bird bones are weak because very small birds bones can be easily broken by a creature (us) that is many many times larger than them. This is also true of rodent bones, which aren't hollow. Further, not all flying creatures have hollow bones, and again, creatures that weigh twice what is normal for a human have had prolonged, high speed, soaring flight. Argentavis may have had trouble leaping into the air to fly, but that is also true of much smaller birds. It isn't a result of it's size. Look, do what you want in your game, like I said, but if you're gonna be "blunt" like that, it's an argument about what makes sense rather than a discussion about why you made that decision. If you don't want flying humanoids just say that. Moving the goalposts from the square cube law to body shape (something that can be solved for with trivial ease if for some reason this one minor things bothers you where all the other fantasy elements that aren't directly magical but still don't make sense don't) extra limbs and hollow bones is just not necessary. Hell, a lot of DMs make aarakokra or other flying races only have 4 limbs, so you can't use your arms to fight and also fly at the same time. If you're a granular DM, you could just as easily give them gliding flight, and require jumping from some degree of height in order to gain flight without a major updraft (argentavis could take off with even really slight inclines, so describing them as having a really hard time flying or whatever is silly). Or you can just decide that a type of critter doesn't exist. Like...you don't need to bend science, a thing that only tangentially relates to dnd anyway, to justify it.</blockquote>

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