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<blockquote data-quote="spunky_mutters" data-source="post: 2171921" data-attributes="member: 5426">One of my players has a concept for a replacement character that we have been discussing, and I wanted to get a bit of feedback on it. His concept is to have a wizard who uses magic jar, and who has a permanent shrink item cast on his body to reduce it for carrying by his familiar while jarred. He also wants to be able to roam around as a 4&quot; high caster by using the permanent shrink. Now I know that shrink doesn't work on creatures, just items. The question is whether your body becomes an item while under the influence of the magic jar spell. As per the spell's description, you are 'as near as anyone can tell' dead. If you were dead, it would be considered an object (I believe, but can't actually find a cite for this). Under the definition for the dead condition, it lists the soul having left the body as a definition for dead. Magic jar meets this criteria, and so even if the person is described as being almost dead, I would still say that they meet other criteria to be considered for the condition. The second question would be the target criteria question, which seems to have been firmly decided in favour of targetting applying only at the time of casting, unless otherwise stated. I'm sure that there are some holes in this besides these two, I just wanted to get a few opinions on this.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="spunky_mutters, post: 2171921, member: 5426"] One of my players has a concept for a replacement character that we have been discussing, and I wanted to get a bit of feedback on it. His concept is to have a wizard who uses magic jar, and who has a permanent shrink item cast on his body to reduce it for carrying by his familiar while jarred. He also wants to be able to roam around as a 4" high caster by using the permanent shrink. Now I know that shrink doesn't work on creatures, just items. The question is whether your body becomes an item while under the influence of the magic jar spell. As per the spell's description, you are 'as near as anyone can tell' dead. If you were dead, it would be considered an object (I believe, but can't actually find a cite for this). Under the definition for the dead condition, it lists the soul having left the body as a definition for dead. Magic jar meets this criteria, and so even if the person is described as being almost dead, I would still say that they meet other criteria to be considered for the condition. The second question would be the target criteria question, which seems to have been firmly decided in favour of targetting applying only at the time of casting, unless otherwise stated. I'm sure that there are some holes in this besides these two, I just wanted to get a few opinions on this. [/QUOTE]

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