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Message: <blockquote data-quote="moritheil" data-source="post: 3023128" data-attributes="member: 30610">If the above isn't crystal-clear to anyone (and we do want to get this clear before moving on), try looking at the tables for dragons by age.  Those tables should make it very clear that dragons gain racial HD with age, and only those racial HD determine things like SR and size.  It's entirely possible to have, say, a wyrmling dragon sorc 14 with 20 total HD, but that dragon would not gain size, natural attacks, SR and increased breath attacks as though it had 20 racial HD.  Instead, it would be handled as a wyrmling of its racial HD, and its class levels would give it different abilities entirely (in this case, the ability to cast spells and summon a familiar as a 14 Sorc.)  The dragon advancement table is quite obviously constructed with the assumption that racial HD increases are being considered.In a similar fashion, most comments on monsters that normally increase HD by racial HD (including outsiders) are made with the assumption that racial HD increases are being considered.  Of course, player characters are an exception to this assumption of racial HD progression, as they are unusual.Finally, consider this: if every class level counted as a racial hit die, there would not be a rule stating that class levels add only 1/2 to CR if they do not boost a monster's primary strengths!    <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />  That rule exists to recognize the tradeoff that a monster race makes when advancing by class levels rather than by racial HD.</blockquote>

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