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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Upper_Krust" data-source="post: 371869" data-attributes="member: 326">Hi all! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />I have deliberated over the same problems many times in the past two years.However, making one change has a tendency to spiral out of control.Though we can still outline some of the 'problems'.1. Strength in 3rd Ed. breaks down (quite badly) at high scores. I would like to think that something that could bench press a planet would do more than +200 damage (Str 410 needed to lift the Earth). Essentially the whole 'damage to lifting capacity' chart is broken.2. Likewise Strength shouldn't really give a bonus 'to hit' - which of course opens up the whole Armour Class debate: since armour really should reduce damage (as well as deflecting attacks in some cases).3. Strength also breaks down when approximated to size. This opens up the whole issue of what hit points really are (or should be). Annoyingly WotC have even broken their own damage rules in the Epic Handbook (Huge Prismasaurus Bite 8d10; Colossal Mu-Spore Bite 4d6).4. Another related problem is the size modifier to hit. It should be -4 for an increased size category (-16 for two; -64 for three; -256 for four etc.). The reason for this is that the target area is now one quarter size.5. For some reason hit dice makes a creature a more skillful combatant (again returning to the 'what are hit points' argument).So really D&D (in general) makes a mess of the fast versus strong encounter (the Fellowship versus Cave Troll; or in this case Spiderman versus the Hulk). In D&D, Hulks Strength Bonus will make a mockery of Spideys Dexterity; though when he hits the Hulk will do relatively little damage (So there is some contrived balance).Presenting a 'proper' combat setup requires these points to be addressed.That said, working out such matters in a quasi-realistic format and you start to introduce big numbers really fast unfortunately.ie. (In real terms) If a rifle bullet deals 2d10 damage, a tank shell would deliver about 10,000d10 damage! We know the Hulk can (just about) take a tank shell point blank (though it might stun him). So he must be akin to 50,000hp; DR 1000/- (25mm Cannon just annoys him); Fast Healing 1000 (He had his heart cut out by Wolverine and recuperated in less than a minute...ripping off Wolverines head in the process - Marvel 'What If')Incidently, the Thing can press 85 Tons; the Hulk 100 Tons (increases with rage) and Superman 1 million Tons. Though as one of the previous posters mentioned such figures are ambiguous except to give a picture of 'who is stronger than who'.</blockquote>

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