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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Villano" data-source="post: 385411" data-attributes="member: 505">I'm just the messenger, man, I didn't write it! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />Actually, to clarify things a bit concerning the pyramid lifting, DC actually said that Superman could if it were possible to without the pyramid falling apart.  He never actually has done it, they were just using it as an example of his strength.The Hulk did it in a few panels as he was testing his new strength.  I believe that this was written by Peter David, so I wouldn't be surprised if he did this because someone told him about Superman's strength.David occasionally adds in-jokes to his writing.  I remember when he had the Hulk beat up Doctor Octopus between panels because Erik Larsen wrote an issue of Spider-Man in which the Sinister Six (a group of Spider villains led by Doc Ock) defeated the Hulk.However, IIRC, Larsen and David didn't like each other very much at the time, so it may have been more of a personal shot from each of them (David even tossed in a line about "petty larceny" in that issue).    On the other hand, you shouldn't knock the seperate Hulk/Banner story.  The character has been around for decades, and the Jekyll/Hyde thing can run out of steam after a while.  I only began collecting the Hulk at the end of that story arc, so I can't comment on how good that particular was.  However, the series was excellent during that time.The idea isn't that bad actually.  You would think that someone in a world of super science would suggest trying to separate the two.The story was probably begun with the idea that they would be merged again (they both began to die without each other).In fact, this story led to my favorite run of the Hulk: the grey Hulk saga.When the Hulk comic premiered, the character was grey, emerged at night instead of when angry, wasn't as strong, and had some intellegence.  The 2nd or 3rd issue is when they went with the dumb, green character.   During this time (his 2nd grey incarnation), it really was a Jekyll/Hyde situation with the new Hulk being a pretty mean character (in one issue, when he felt himself changing back to Banner at dawn, he broke into a liquor store and gulped down a bunch of booze to keep Banner sedated during the day).My favorite arc was when the Hulk was believed killed and the grey Hulk went to Vegas and worked as a mob enforcer (no one recognized him because the world only knew of the Hulk as green and just assumed that this superhuman, grey guy was a mutant).That may sound dumb, but it wasn't. The grey incarnation had an actual personality and was able to do more than "Hulk smash!".  He was a complex character, being a complete S.O.B. one minute and able to show compassion the next.Marvel was really great in the '80's.  The '90's is when things went downhill.  They began making "collectibles" instead of comics ("Hey, it's our special 88th issue! Platinum, hologram cover!  Only $7!"<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f644.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Roll eyes    :rolleyes:"  data-smilie="11"data-shortname=":rolleyes:" /> ).Most of the writing sucked, things happend for no reason, and every other artist aped Jim Lee's style.For an example of the type of writing what went on then, back in the '80's Wolverine took a sword through the abdomen.  It took him a month to fully heal, while in the '90's, he got 3rd degree burns over his entire body and healed in 3 panels (Marvel also said that he couldn't be killed if dropped in an active volcano).Stupid?  Very.Characters killed in one comic were back alive in another series with no explanation.  Claremont was fired from the X-Men after several decades of writing and the new writer killed all the old villains the next issue. I stopped collecting their stuff around this time because it honestly seemed that people on different books didn't know what other writers were doing. Now, as to Superman?  Well, I never really like him.  I collected his series when DC rebooted in the mid-80's, but it got stale real quick.  His powers aren't bad, and neither is his personality, but the writing is boring.The problem with DC is that, while they have "cosmic" characters, they never face cosmic threats.  The Silver Surfer was in space fighting alien gods while Superman battled the Toyman (a fat guy who uses toys to commit crimes).     I'm glad to hear that Marvel has turned things around.  I'm still hesitant to pick up anything from them because I still feeled burnt from some of the crap they used to put out (Peter Parker's parents were androids?!  Well, it doesn't really matter because he's actually just a clone. Arrgh!<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f631.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":eek:" title="Eek!    :eek:"  data-smilie="9"data-shortname=":eek:" /> ).</blockquote>

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