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Message: <blockquote data-quote="green slime" data-source="post: 5340749" data-attributes="member: 1325">No, I think you're missing the point: that can only happen, if the DM lets it happen. IOW, if the DM is a push over, yes the spellcasters will roll all over the rest of the players. Planar binding is one of those spells that many DM's will actually have house rules for. Basing the power of the spell on the CR of the creature, instead of its HD, is rather common. Then there is the arbitrary value assigned by the DM according to the value of the bribes offered, for instance. Teh availability of all those buffs, and the question of whether they re allowed to stack. The rôle of the DM is to challenge all the players, so fun is had by all, not lie down flat in front of the wizard-player and get stepped on, because the player waves some esoteric supplement from over the other side of the gaming table.Actually, in game, it is my experience that the spellcasters excel best, when they support the meat shields. Supporting them, means less threats get through to actually threaten the spellcasters. I've seen games where the spellcasters try to play egomaniac, and it just doesn't go well: 1) the meat shields go down quickly 2) the cleric is finally buffed up wades into melee: gets debuffed, starts to panic 3) wizard flees, perhaps grabbing the rogue on his way out. We've had few free-for-all Death Matches on ENWorld. A low level one was won by a human cleric playing ultra-defense: Eventually the wizard types run out of fly and invisibility and have finished nuking everything they can. A mid level game (10th-12?) one was won by a Rat-man from OA (Nezumi(?)) fighter using an Anti-Magic Shield. When the field was filled with 11+ other Level-equivalent PCs as potential threats, it wasn't so easy for the spellcasters.A depleted wizard is just a glorified peasant with a crossbow.Yes, a ready for-the-day wizard is more powerful than the fighter by far. Yet clever tactics, proper equipment, and careful timing can improve the odds (slightly, at least).</blockquote>

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