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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dandu" data-source="post: 5341832" data-attributes="member: 85158">If there were not a <a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/ropetrick.htm" target="_blank">second level spell</a> that could easily solve this problem, I would take your point more seriously.Depends on the person, doesn't it? Some people are inspired and awed by the ability to reshape reality to your whim.The statement "But perhaps more flavourful?!? God forbid! Someone actually enjoying themselves!" seems to be a little charged. 2) I would dispute this because fighters have to spend their feats on fighting, as they aren't great in their designated, and the general suckiness of most metamagic and item creation feats leaves spellcasters with free feats. 3) Can you provide evidence of how, if the spellcaster's 6th level feat slot were spent on Leadership, it would be a "tough choice" because that would hinder qualification for a cool prestige class? Very few prestige classes for spellcasters that I know of seem to involve such intense feat requirements, and several spellcasting classes get bonus feats.4) Is it not true that, if a fighter wanted to get into a prestige class, he will also have to spend feats to qualify for it? What if the feats required are not fighter bonus feats?I prefer to use an example because in the past, I have been accused (several times, come to think of it) of  using a "schrodinger's wizard" who has ever spell known when needed. My opponent felt this to be unfair and disingenuous on my part, which was hardly my intent. But if you want to discuss this "generically", let me make a point to counter your point. It seems that a Wizard can learn a vast array of spells that give him incredible versatility and power, even without going for the broken options. He can, with 9 hours of rest and prep time, retool his arsenal to gear for an entirely different game should the party switch from, say, heavy combat to stealth infiltration or a search for some object lost among the planes. A fighter, by contrast, does not get to do this. It is doubtful if, working with what the fighter class gets mechanically, he could ever match a full spellcaster in this regard.I do not disagree that people need to be involved, I merely contend that it is much easier to contribute with some classes than others since certain classes get a much better toolkit. I think pawsplay has a very good post about this situation.Agreed; they were, of course, examples of how, by the books, casters are overpowered. But those are not the only way that casters can overshadow others, and you can do it with non-broken spells. What if the player character does not want to be involved in many organizations, and just wishes he could kick ass on the battlefield to the same degree as a spellcaster, or be as versatile using his character's abilities?If that is the way you choose to read that sentence, *shrug*.</blockquote>

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