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<blockquote data-quote="Dandu" data-source="post: 5342217" data-attributes="member: 85158"><p>The point you were saying is that "you can't do everything as it would be an inefficient use of resources in your downtime and would leave you with nothing left over", I believe. </p><p> </p><p>I personally think you have a point but are exaggerating.</p><p> </p><p>Oh, one less 2nd level spell. That's gonna hurt. This is exactly the kind of thing that makes me think that you're exaggerating the issue.</p><p> </p><p>1. How are you getting fear out of that?</p><p>2. It is better to be feared than loved.</p><p> </p><p>Well, no, that's not true, but I felt obligated to quote a classic.</p><p> </p><p>Anyways, since we're dealing with a hypothetical situation with imaginary people who knows what exactly wins them over? It might be hard manual labor, or it might be magical power, or it might be force of personality. Depends on the society. I don't think a fighter who helps around is guaranteed more respect than a spellcaster who does the same.</p><p> </p><p>Humor can't be used to insult others?</p><p> </p><p>Here's the thing: some prestige classes require a lot of feats. Some require few feats. Most don't seem to require a heavy feat infestment. Thus I do not think you can just say "because you may have to spend a lot of feats to qualify for a prestige class, then a spellcasting class cannot easily afford to take Leadership."</p><p> </p><p>6th: 5/day</p><p>5th: 7/day</p><p>4th and below: 8/day</p><p>(Slightly less for a Specialist wizard, but they get more spells known)</p><p>Should be enough to get by even after casting, say, a few 5th and 6th level spells, considering that the bulk of your mid and low level spell slots are still available for combat.</p><p> </p><p>What do you mean by "do this all in one day"? Do you mean retooling for a different situation? I said that he could adjust his spells on a day to day basis, not do it all in one day. (Since you can't get up in the morning, prepare spells, have two hours pass, then rest for 8 hours and prepare a new set of spells again.)</p><p> </p><p>About as often as he allows the party to retire because the fighter has run out of HP.</p><p>It's been my experience that being hard on spellcasters like this is equally, if not more, hard on fighters since they now have to stay in melee for extended periods of time and take lots of damage.</p><p> </p><p></p><p>Of course, they don't really have the same control over the forces as a spellcaster would. </p><p> </p><p></p><p>No one's saying they are.</p><p> </p><p>From what I can tell, you can achieve lots (relative to mundane people) and still have reserves.</p><p> </p><p>I can see how this would be hard on fighters. Long hours facing dangerous enemies up front. The need for skills when you don't have many. A quick timeline with no time for rest and, by extension, healing, so you're forced to rely on a cleric for healing, which drains his spells and prevents him from healing you as effectively in combat or after combat, as well as casting other cleric spells.</p><p> </p><p>Yes, because climbing up and down a massive, massive geographical feature is time consuming (tight deadlines, after all) and dangerous?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dandu, post: 5342217, member: 85158"] The point you were saying is that "you can't do everything as it would be an inefficient use of resources in your downtime and would leave you with nothing left over", I believe. I personally think you have a point but are exaggerating. Oh, one less 2nd level spell. That's gonna hurt. This is exactly the kind of thing that makes me think that you're exaggerating the issue. 1. How are you getting fear out of that? 2. It is better to be feared than loved. Well, no, that's not true, but I felt obligated to quote a classic. Anyways, since we're dealing with a hypothetical situation with imaginary people who knows what exactly wins them over? It might be hard manual labor, or it might be magical power, or it might be force of personality. Depends on the society. I don't think a fighter who helps around is guaranteed more respect than a spellcaster who does the same. Humor can't be used to insult others? Here's the thing: some prestige classes require a lot of feats. Some require few feats. Most don't seem to require a heavy feat infestment. Thus I do not think you can just say "because you may have to spend a lot of feats to qualify for a prestige class, then a spellcasting class cannot easily afford to take Leadership." 6th: 5/day 5th: 7/day 4th and below: 8/day (Slightly less for a Specialist wizard, but they get more spells known) Should be enough to get by even after casting, say, a few 5th and 6th level spells, considering that the bulk of your mid and low level spell slots are still available for combat. What do you mean by "do this all in one day"? Do you mean retooling for a different situation? I said that he could adjust his spells on a day to day basis, not do it all in one day. (Since you can't get up in the morning, prepare spells, have two hours pass, then rest for 8 hours and prepare a new set of spells again.) About as often as he allows the party to retire because the fighter has run out of HP. It's been my experience that being hard on spellcasters like this is equally, if not more, hard on fighters since they now have to stay in melee for extended periods of time and take lots of damage. Of course, they don't really have the same control over the forces as a spellcaster would. No one's saying they are. From what I can tell, you can achieve lots (relative to mundane people) and still have reserves. I can see how this would be hard on fighters. Long hours facing dangerous enemies up front. The need for skills when you don't have many. A quick timeline with no time for rest and, by extension, healing, so you're forced to rely on a cleric for healing, which drains his spells and prevents him from healing you as effectively in combat or after combat, as well as casting other cleric spells. Yes, because climbing up and down a massive, massive geographical feature is time consuming (tight deadlines, after all) and dangerous? [/QUOTE]
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