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<blockquote data-quote="Cap'n Kobold" data-source="post: 8393679" data-attributes="member: 6802951">As you describe it, the only JOAT-MON character class that I can think of is the Artificer. Maybe. Actually, although they aren't as good in any one field as a class that specialises in it, they are secondary in many. Given that you're specifying a JOAT-MON class as being mediocre and worse than the secondary focus of a class at what they do, I'm not sure than any 5e D&amp;D classes come to mind.Bear in mind that there is a difference between a JOAT character class and a JOAT character. The Wizard is the classic JOAT character class: able to perform well at all pillars of the game simply by virtue of having powerful and versatile spell that can be used. That doesn't mean that a specific wizard character can't be built so that it is better at one portion of the game and not in another, simply by not selecting any social-situation spells and picking more combat ones for example.Likewise the Bard class cannot be regarded as a JOAT-MON class, because it is pretty much the undisputed master of the Social pillar, but can be a JOAT class because it can contribute effectively in all the other pillars as well.Others have pointed out that the assumption that there will always be a specialist who can outdo the JOAT in the party is flawed.However there is another point: Most JOAT classes are also support classes. The specialist isn't getting to contribute instead of the JOAT, they are both contributing because the JOAT is enabling the specialist.The bard is turning the rogue invisible and giving them inspiration. The artificer gives the wizard an extra 3rd level spell slot and automatic pass on concentration checks etc.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Cap'n Kobold, post: 8393679, member: 6802951"] As you describe it, the only JOAT-MON character class that I can think of is the Artificer. Maybe. Actually, although they aren't as good in any one field as a class that specialises in it, they are secondary in many. Given that you're specifying a JOAT-MON class as being mediocre and worse than the secondary focus of a class at what they do, I'm not sure than any 5e D&D classes come to mind. Bear in mind that there is a difference between a JOAT character class and a JOAT [I]character[/I]. The Wizard is the classic JOAT character class: able to perform well at all pillars of the game simply by virtue of having powerful and versatile spell that can be used. That doesn't mean that a specific wizard character can't be built so that it is better at one portion of the game and not in another, simply by not selecting any social-situation spells and picking more combat ones for example. Likewise the Bard class cannot be regarded as a JOAT-MON class, because it is pretty much the undisputed master of the Social pillar, but can be a JOAT class because it can contribute effectively in all the other pillars as well. Others have pointed out that the assumption that there will always be a specialist who can outdo the JOAT in the party is flawed. However there is another point: Most JOAT classes are also [I]support [/I]classes. The specialist isn't getting to contribute [I]instead [/I]of the JOAT, they are [I]both [/I]contributing because the JOAT is enabling the specialist. The bard is turning the rogue invisible and giving them inspiration. The artificer gives the wizard an extra 3rd level spell slot and automatic pass on concentration checks etc. [/QUOTE]

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