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<blockquote data-quote="Blue" data-source="post: 7564712" data-attributes="member: 20564">Thanks for explaining all of that, it makes sense.There is one point I'm still not sure about:I'm not sure I see this.&nbsp; At character level 10, a straight druid has elemental wildshape if they need it.&nbsp; At character level 10, what does a karate kid have to emulate?monk 5/druid 5 would have extra attack, but on a CR 2 creature.&nbsp; unarmed would be lower then the elemental wildshape damages.&nbsp; depending on the elemental wildshape vs. wildshape forms which has better movement when you include the monk bonus.&nbsp; An earth elemental has better AC then unarmed defense will give you as well as all those HPs.As for using two wildshapes, I'll give you two scenarios that both equal that out.&nbsp; First is a tough battle where you'll run out of HPs of the first form and need to use the another.&nbsp; The other is that a druid 5 will be able to maintain a wildshape for only 2 hours, while a druid 10 will be able to maintain a wildshape for 5 hours - likely that if not brought to zero that it can likely last through what would cover two shorter uses, and likely until a short rest.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Blue, post: 7564712, member: 20564"] Thanks for explaining all of that, it makes sense. There is one point I'm still not sure about: I'm not sure I see this. At character level 10, a straight druid has elemental wildshape if they need it. At character level 10, what does a karate kid have to emulate? monk 5/druid 5 would have extra attack, but on a CR 2 creature. unarmed would be lower then the elemental wildshape damages. depending on the elemental wildshape vs. wildshape forms which has better movement when you include the monk bonus. An earth elemental has better AC then unarmed defense will give you as well as all those HPs. As for using two wildshapes, I'll give you two scenarios that both equal that out. First is a tough battle where you'll run out of HPs of the first form and need to use the another. The other is that a druid 5 will be able to maintain a wildshape for only 2 hours, while a druid 10 will be able to maintain a wildshape for 5 hours - likely that if not brought to zero that it can likely last through what would cover two shorter uses, and likely until a short rest. [/QUOTE]

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