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<blockquote data-quote="Li Shenron" data-source="post: 5851670" data-attributes="member: 1465"><p>Ok, but that doesn't mean you are entitled to improve its effects.</p><p></p><p>Of course in a way the DM is entitled to always do what she wants, and that's also valid for non-artifact magic items, but what I mean is that it sounds to me that the players were disappointed that they got effectively a <em>minor benefit</em>, while they were expecting something more useful from the deck.</p><p></p><p>As it is designed, the deck can grant both minor and major benefits as well as both minor and major penalties. Had they drawn the "permanent -1 to all saving throws" (a fastidious penalty but far from game-breaking), would you have house-ruled some bigger effects because it's an artifact? Personally I think the whole point of the Deck is that it is a joke against the characters: you can win the biggest fortunes or lose your life and soul... but also not much.</p><p></p><p>Then again, the DM can do what she wants to improve the campaign... All I'm saying is that this sounds a bit like players trying to get undue advantage, and a lot like metagaming. Since when can they "ask" the Deck for something? It's not Santa Claus <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> If they want those character changes, I'd talk with them about getting them in another way.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Li Shenron, post: 5851670, member: 1465"] Ok, but that doesn't mean you are entitled to improve its effects. Of course in a way the DM is entitled to always do what she wants, and that's also valid for non-artifact magic items, but what I mean is that it sounds to me that the players were disappointed that they got effectively a [I]minor benefit[/I], while they were expecting something more useful from the deck. As it is designed, the deck can grant both minor and major benefits as well as both minor and major penalties. Had they drawn the "permanent -1 to all saving throws" (a fastidious penalty but far from game-breaking), would you have house-ruled some bigger effects because it's an artifact? Personally I think the whole point of the Deck is that it is a joke against the characters: you can win the biggest fortunes or lose your life and soul... but also not much. Then again, the DM can do what she wants to improve the campaign... All I'm saying is that this sounds a bit like players trying to get undue advantage, and a lot like metagaming. Since when can they "ask" the Deck for something? It's not Santa Claus ;) If they want those character changes, I'd talk with them about getting them in another way. [/QUOTE]
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