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The lack of overarching aesthetics in certain major planar races
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<blockquote data-quote="Shemeska" data-source="post: 6544696" data-attributes="member: 11697"><p>You'll notice to an extent that those outsider races that were created for Pathfinder because their prior versions from D&D were closed content (and thus had to be replaced with new races created from the ground up) exhibit more cohesion around a central concept versus those outsider races that incorporate legacy D&D material via the OGL. Paizo's creatives (and its freelancers like myself) went out of their way to make the new races cohesive.</p><p></p><p>As for some that you don't think have an overarching aesthetic:</p><p></p><p>Daemons are reflections of the various ways in which mortals die. Death by old age - the skeletal temerdaemons. Death by starvation - the meladaemons that look like starving desert jackals. Death by plague - leukodaemons that are surrounded by black flies as if from bloated rotting corpses, with black vultures wings like carrion eaters feeding on the dead. I had a hand in creating a majority of the extant daemons, so at least the ones that I've worked on, I tried to link their appearance to fit in with the method of death that they embody.</p><p></p><p>Azata comprise what were D&D eladrin, who collectively were fey-like angels. The lillendi weren't part of the eladrin in D&D proper, but in Pathfinder they were incorporated into the azata race since the Infinite Staircase from D&D that they were linked to doesn't exist in Pathfinder. Still the azata are remarkably fey-like celestials, even if one of them has a serpentine lower body. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>Devils and demons include all of the various legacy members of their kind, but for demons that makes sense given they're creatures of malignant chaos dwelling in the Darwinian nightmare of the Abyss. Devils I think that Wes Schneider did a remarkably good job portraying them with the theme of iron-gloved tyrants, foot soldiers of Hell, and baroque monstrosities of flame and steel.</p><p></p><p>It isn't necessarily overt aesthetic similarities in each case, but aesthetics that match the alignment or metaphysical niche the race as a whole embodies and that specific outsider within that race itself embodies. For the most part I think they succeeded, but some of the legacy content fights that a bit (as much as I adore said legacy content).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Shemeska, post: 6544696, member: 11697"] You'll notice to an extent that those outsider races that were created for Pathfinder because their prior versions from D&D were closed content (and thus had to be replaced with new races created from the ground up) exhibit more cohesion around a central concept versus those outsider races that incorporate legacy D&D material via the OGL. Paizo's creatives (and its freelancers like myself) went out of their way to make the new races cohesive. As for some that you don't think have an overarching aesthetic: Daemons are reflections of the various ways in which mortals die. Death by old age - the skeletal temerdaemons. Death by starvation - the meladaemons that look like starving desert jackals. Death by plague - leukodaemons that are surrounded by black flies as if from bloated rotting corpses, with black vultures wings like carrion eaters feeding on the dead. I had a hand in creating a majority of the extant daemons, so at least the ones that I've worked on, I tried to link their appearance to fit in with the method of death that they embody. Azata comprise what were D&D eladrin, who collectively were fey-like angels. The lillendi weren't part of the eladrin in D&D proper, but in Pathfinder they were incorporated into the azata race since the Infinite Staircase from D&D that they were linked to doesn't exist in Pathfinder. Still the azata are remarkably fey-like celestials, even if one of them has a serpentine lower body. :) Devils and demons include all of the various legacy members of their kind, but for demons that makes sense given they're creatures of malignant chaos dwelling in the Darwinian nightmare of the Abyss. Devils I think that Wes Schneider did a remarkably good job portraying them with the theme of iron-gloved tyrants, foot soldiers of Hell, and baroque monstrosities of flame and steel. It isn't necessarily overt aesthetic similarities in each case, but aesthetics that match the alignment or metaphysical niche the race as a whole embodies and that specific outsider within that race itself embodies. For the most part I think they succeeded, but some of the legacy content fights that a bit (as much as I adore said legacy content). [/QUOTE]
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