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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Minigiant" data-source="post: 9515014" data-attributes="member: 63508">Overal the issue is support over the tiersThe base 2024 ranger scales like thisTier 1: Free Uses of Hunter's Mark, Deft ExplorerTier 2: Extra Attack, 2nd level spellsTier 3: Tireless, Expertise 3rd level spellsTier 4: Precise Hunter, 5th level levelsThe weak spot is the lack of strong 3rd and 5th level spells. Easily fixed. There are 4 editions of Ranger to convert spells from. There are tons of comics,/books video games, and cartoons/anime to be inspired from.For a nonspellcasting Ranger, it's much worse.Tier 1: Free Uses of Hunter's Mark, Deft ExplorerTier 2: Extra Attack, <s>2nd level spells</s>Tier 3: Tireless, Expertise, <s>3rd level spells</s>Tier 4: Precise Hunter, <s>5th level levels</s>There are few Tier 3&4 features that most homebrew designers suggest that aren't some combination<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Straight up stealing from the Fighter or Rogue</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Mechanically boring and not exciting to onlookers</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Blatantly OP and would never be oked by a good DM</li> </ul>So when people say Ranger drops off in Tier 3, the easy fix is to convert Blade Thrist, Hunter Eye, or Arrowmind from old editions or take Exploding Arrow, Animal/Fey/Plant summoning, or Natural Animal PEDs from other media. The hard part is coming out with new interesting nonmagical stuff.</blockquote>